goodfellas

We reject capitalistic higher education. We choose to embrace discipline instead.

Apologies, we erred: it was Kevin Corrigan, not Michael Corrigan who played Ray Liotta's brother. Not that names are important. Names will be obsolete when New Society is achieved.

lols

John Malkovich (actor): It sort of came at a bad time in my life, when I wasn't feeling well and didn't want to think about working. It's hard to explain why you end up in Eragon and not GoodFellas. But De Niro is fantastic

Eragon features impressive computer generated imagery, while Goodfellas does not. Malkovich should be proud to be associated with a technical achievement that represents a mastery over nature, and not just a formal or "artistic" achievement.

malkovich would have been terrible in this

unthinkable

i'm stirrin', i'm stirrin'

― banaka, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 22:33 (33 minutes ago) Permalink

We think of that line in this film as a silent protest.

― banaka, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 22:35 (31 minutes ago)

the time it takes someone to realize they accidentally posted under a sock acct?

haha

2 minutes of sheer panic

ha

Malkovich should be proud to be associated with a technical achievement that represents a mastery over nature

has yet to master technical achievement of multiple log-ins/browsers

lol lol

A TV series!

Please, no...I guess they'd back up to a point in time before nine-tenths of the principals got whacked? Maybe it'd be worth it for a whole episode centred around Chuck Low's character. I love how he says things like "unconscionable" and "most unreasonable." He could be like the Niles Crane of mob dramas.

teh fuck?

Maybe they can call the TV show "WISE GUY".

http://www.salon.com/entertainment/movies/film_salon/2010/09/27/_goodfellas_on_trial/index.html

MZS schools this other dude pretty handily.

Seitz's rhetoric is stronger but I'm slightly in Grey's camp (and so is Pauline Kael). I still like the film a lot while acknowledging it's fucked up. Fuggedit, Jake -- it's the movies.

It's a great fucking gangster movie -- better than the Godfathers -- bcz, as reflected in a Jimmy Breslin quote I recently encountered, it doesn't deny that the Mob is about grade-school dropouts killing each other, instead of that phony romanticized shit.

wondering where this fits in to yr 'ride' based critique of scorseses later work

this is the first time I have ever seen morbz lavish praise upon a critically acclaimed movie on ILX

icey, it has brains and good acting, so there's no comparison.

and yet u must admit its very 'ridey'

dayo, that's bullshit. My favorite film of the '00s was Mulholland Dr.

(critically acclaimed)

no. a "ride" doesn't have a script. xp

to clarify morbz, this is the first time I have seen you actually explain what you like about a movie in a positive way

what negative ways have i used before?

do the godfathers really deny that the mob is about grade school dropouts killing each other? It's not like everyone's Michael in those films.

to clarify morbz, this is the first time I have seen you actually explain what you like about a movie in a positive way

Read one Spielberg thread.

Since when is saying "at least it isn't romanticized phony shit" positive in the first place?

cuz it speaks well of Pileggi and Scorsese's judgment in avoiding a trap, and in talking UP to the audience.

before you explain how the Godfather talks down the audience, can you explain how it denies that the mob is about numbskulls killing each other?

cuz while the tone is pretty operatic and grand (not sure I'd call that talking down to the audience, though), its still mostly a bunch of guys shooting each other.

hey vaffanculo ya goombahs.

SHASTA OUT

But in the scene at Tommy’s house, where Martin Scorsese’s mother has her cameo fixing the guys dinner and Billy Batts is outside bleeding to death in the trunk, Henry is laughing with the others over the Batts being a goner. In his heart, Henry is as much of a murderer as they are. But in the film he’s just an accomplice to murder.

Did this guy see the same movie that I did? Was it him laughing or was it him always being so quiet?

He may have gone heh heh to keep up the cover, but he wasn't anywhere near being the murderer Tommy and Jimmy were.

Read one Spielberg thread.

― Eric H., Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:08 AM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark

ILX has speilberg threads?

how about the end of godfather 2 when michael kills his brother and basically damns himself to hell

SPOILER ALERT s1ocki :(

ian grey's moralizing in that article is super-tiresome

At the end, Henry doesn't care about the piles of corpses he has passive-aggressively accumulated. He's bummed because he can't get a good red sauce (Rim shot!) in witness protection.

o no they don't all hug and learn at the end

croup, there's all that bullshit about Vito being against narcotics trade, and how they're really just a loving family that went astray

there's the very same bullshit about the patron (Pauly Sorvino) being against the narcotics trade in Goodfellas Morbsies. Ayyyy vaffanculo *grabs nuts*

I guess one upside of "Goodfellas" is that without it, we wouldn't have Showtime’s "Dexter," an infinitely more complex work on almost every level except visually.

leave the guns, grab the nuts

nothing to see here folks

*bites knuckle a la bowzer in sha na na*

I guess one upside of "Goodfellas" is that without it, we wouldn't have Showtime’s "Dexter," an infinitely more complex work on almost every level except visually.

Speaking of morality in American entertainment...

croup, there's all that bullshit about Vito being against narcotics trade

surprised you of all people don't believe an old guy could get arbitrarily moralistic about the good old days

and how they're really just a loving family that went astray

I really don't get how you could get this from the two films, but even if you did, that doesn't mean the film denies the thuggish nature of the mob - if anything that's the corrupting element.

godfather is definitely a more romantic movie than goodfellas, but someone could easily say that goodfellas is more cynical and cartoonish

From the first line, "As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be a gangster," the film proclaims its limitations. Because Martin Scorsese does not do psychology, the best one could expect is a portrait of machismo in crisis situation -- which means brilliantly rendered violence from which the main characters learn nothing.

I don't get how the second part follows the first - is all of that really contained in the line "As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be a gangster"

also lol at drawing arbitrary distinction between art and not art by inclusion of nihilism

But because I had been a first wave punk rocker, I knew those buzzes were not to be trusted

nuh uh, not gonna get fooled again, nope