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Oh, OK, great. This weekend's going to be a little crazy, we're playing shows on the 30th and 31st, but we should hang out sometime after that.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 26 December 2005 01:50 (twenty years ago)

So what's the consensus?

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:25 (twenty years ago)

Yes, they were definitely gay.

― [use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:28 (twenty years ago)

Your review was great, A.S.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:28 (twenty years ago)

Predictably, I am going to question whether either of them was actually gay.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:32 (twenty years ago)

this is the kind of tasteful tearjerker that's often overrated and smothered with prizes because it flatters our tolerance and sensitivity

So it's the Guess Who's Coming To Dinner of 2005, then.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:33 (twenty years ago)

thanks, John! have you seen it yet?

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:33 (twenty years ago)

well, it seems obvious to me that Gyllenhaal is the gay one.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:34 (twenty years ago)

Yup, I saw it last Friday, right after I finished my Christmas shopping. Yeah, you're right, Jack is probably gay: the Mexico scene of courses reinforces this. But I was the one who argued against Chris Cooper's character being gay in American Beauty long after it became apparent that he obviously was (but that was just me wishing the film was more ambiguous than it actually was).

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:37 (twenty years ago)

King Kong was the gay one.

― [use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:38 (twenty years ago)

So it's the Guess Who's Coming To Dinner of 2005, then.

A suspicion that's haunted me since I saw the film; but it's much too cold and spare.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:39 (twenty years ago)

King Kong was the gay one.

You great feeb, it was Aslan.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:39 (twenty years ago)

Yup, I saw it last Friday, right after I finished my Christmas shopping. Yeah, you're right, Jack is probably gay: the Mexico scene of courses reinforces this.

Don't forget he also cruises Ennis a few minutes into the film.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:40 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, you mentioned that ("this will do"), but I honestly don't remember it that clearly. And he does make the first move in the tent.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:42 (twenty years ago)

Also: I'm getting a bit weary of the Heath Ledger award drumbeat, especially when Gyllenhaal is really the heart of the movie. His delivery of his last monologue is the most powerful acting he's ever done.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:42 (twenty years ago)

I can't agree with you there, unfortunately. He was fine for the first half of the film, but I found him as a bitter middle-aged man a bit unconvincing: I kept looking at him searchingly but all I saw was Jake Gyllenhaal with a ridiculous 'stache.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:46 (twenty years ago)

Gyllenhaal has such bizarre, oversized features. Were I homosexual, he would not be my premier candidate for intercourse.

― [use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:48 (twenty years ago)

I love the 'stache! I dunno...he seemed more comfortable with the stolidity of movement that's part of being middle-aged. And in the scene in which he answers Ennis' question about whether he's been with other women, he answers with an economy of gesture/bitterness that surprised me (it helps that his response is a lie: he's actually boning the ranch hand, not the ranch hand's wife).

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:48 (twenty years ago)

Don't get me wrong, I still think he's hot.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:49 (twenty years ago)

nah

― [use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:49 (twenty years ago)

I got bored. I really liked the short story though.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:55 (twenty years ago)

It's only now that I've noticed his hotness since his other movies have been mostly appalling.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:56 (twenty years ago)

I gotta say I'm not interested in this movie at all, and am surprised much of mainstream America is. I can see gay cowboys walking down the street any day of the week, and have found Ang Lee to be a pretty unreliable and unforgiveably mawkish director - the combo sounds boring and, er, flaccid...

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:56 (twenty years ago)

I can see gay cowboys walking down the street any day of the week

I forgot you lived in Miami.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:57 (twenty years ago)

Unfortunately the combo in the movie is (boring and) flaccid too.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:58 (twenty years ago)

"I forgot you lived in Miami."

close - San Francisco.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:58 (twenty years ago)

I forgot you lived in Daly City.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:02 (twenty years ago)

Soto's the one who lives in Miami!

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)

The best gay cowboys ever were in that one scene in Collateral.

― [use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:04 (twenty years ago)

It's pretty much been all downhill for gay cowboys since that moment on.

― [use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:04 (twenty years ago)

Soto's the one who lives in Miami!

I forgot you lived in Rockford.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:05 (twenty years ago)

My cousin lives in Miami and he thinks that San Francisco is Miami's polar opposite.

What a bunch of crap.

― [use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:07 (twenty years ago)

I love cuban breakfasts though. We need more of those.

― [use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:08 (twenty years ago)

I'm also an admirer of Morris Lapidus.

― [use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:08 (twenty years ago)

and Trick Daddy, of course.

― [use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:10 (twenty years ago)

and the early 90s Dolphins color scheme.

And some bits of Scarface.

― [use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:11 (twenty years ago)

The scarred bits, right?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:19 (twenty years ago)

man I wish I knew a decent Cuban place in SF - the best ones I've eaten at were in LA...

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:19 (twenty years ago)

The closest thing to gay cowboys we got in Miami walk the streets on Halloween.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:19 (twenty years ago)

Gyllenhaal has such bizarre, oversized features.

Aw yeah.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 30 December 2005 01:19 (twenty years ago)

"guess who's coming to dinner" really isn't as bad as ppl say it is.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 30 December 2005 03:29 (twenty years ago)

Except Tracy makes me cry in the last scene -- cuz he's talking about him & Hepburn in real life -- and this one kept my eyes dry. (It's more like the tragic sodomite Same Time Next Year.)

Lotsa dull dull domestic melodrama, and there's hardly any carnality (or eroticism) in it after the spit-lube. The way the next-to-last scene with the daughter panders to the hetero 'mainstream' made me kinda ill. Bet the Best Picture Oscar, and I wonder if Heath will keep up the Novocaine Mouth in his acceptance speech.

Boys with that brand of bizarre, oversized features can crawl in my tent too.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 31 December 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

The way the next-to-last scene with the daughter panders to the hetero 'mainstream' made me kinda ill

Wow. I know the scene is not in the story, but any scene as well-played as that one (Kate Mara gives the film's least heralded good performance) works just fine.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 31 December 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

I also thought Shouty Jake (ie, the last monologue) was not particularly successful.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 January 2006 14:15 (twenty years ago)

Soto, can i read yr review.
I just sent a discussion of this and mr and mrs smith to jump cut in montreal.

― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 2 January 2006 14:20 (twenty years ago)

Dr Morbius plainly hates good acting.

Anthony: you got mail.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 2 January 2006 14:38 (twenty years ago)

I don't think this was a gay film at all. It was a conventional "women's picture". It has the same appeal to the same audience as A River Runs Through It, The Horse Whisperer etc etc. It's all about hunky, tough yet sensitive guys who don't say much. The buttsex angle is something of a red herring.

Compare/contrast slash fiction, written and read almost exclusively by heterosexual women.

― dream logic, Monday, 2 January 2006 14:38 (twenty years ago)

I don't think this was a gay film at all. It was a conventional "women's picture".

I agree, but a rather cold one. It reminded a bit of a Douglas Sirk picture: kitsch redeemed thanks to the director's tonal control.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 2 January 2006 14:43 (twenty years ago)

Here are two statements that I did not understand!

Apparently Michelle Williams may be 'acting' off the set much like Katie Holmes, IF you know what I mean...

-- Dr Morbius (wjwe...), November 10th, 2005.

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You guys realize if there's any pudding in this film, it'll be the strawman indie film as outlined by Cartman in South Park?
-- mike h. (m...), November 10th, 2005.

Can anyone translate, or explain?

― the pinefox, Monday, 2 January 2006 14:48 (twenty years ago)

Maybe the interesting thing is the way the gayness otherwise lets the film totally off the hook, and allows the leads to be in every other way conventional when it comes to gender role models. It'd be hard to imagine a movie these days where the leads were such conservative unreconstructed "real men", and yet where the target audience was "liberal" rather than "red state".

― dream logic, Monday, 2 January 2006 14:52 (twenty years ago)

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