"Hipster" as pejorative.

Was using the word "hipster" in the early 90s but in mock of its 50s sense I think.

i remember american cousins telling me about 'scenesters' at some point (probs 1997), how they wore ironic workshirts and whatnot. was intrigued. can't remember when i noticed hipster had become the word to use for what, as nakhchivan says, had already been identified. 2003?

I live in E1 and spend most most of my time drunk or high. Y'all very jealous.

yeah poser -----> scenester ----> hipster

generally doesn't it go: edgy ----> vibrant ------> trendy?

― sarahel, Sunday, 12 September 2010 21:06 (1 hour ago)

i suppose so, but they seem(ed) to be used interchangeably in journalism

'vibrant' is usually used to denote ethnically heterogeneous areas in lieu of the old 'colourful'

'vibrant' is usually used to denote ethnically heterogeneous areas in lieu of the old 'colourful'

I am all too well acquainted with that - i live in Oakland, CA

it's odd, this thread has reminded me of a bunch of odd stuff.........

haha, when i have these odd conversations i feel like uncle monty in w&i, when he goes "aaaaah, oxford"

(don't mean i feel like a sexual predator)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEW_O1sy0ek

I still have much love for this video making fun of scenesters

ah, life before I knew what a hipster was and everybody were still all scenesters

Thats still pretty current in regards to the demographic that reads today's Alternative Press magazine.

i remember american cousins telling me about 'scenesters' at some point (probs 1997), how they wore ironic workshirts and whatnot. was intrigued. can't remember when i noticed hipster had become the word to use for what, as nakhchivan says, had already been identified. 2003?

― The sulky expression from the hilarious "Aubrey Plaza" persona (history mayne), Sunday, 12 September 2010 21:53 (Yesterday) Bookmark

had a workshirt with a name patch on in 1997 @16y/o. guess i was a "lil alt".

maybe a hipster is someone who "feels passionate about" "accessorizing with" things

― the mid- '80s vein of hellmusic we love to hate (bernard snowy), Sunday, September 12, 2010

Soooo they don't feel passionate about music and fashion and politics and art, they are passionate about looking like they are?

I'm saying the two aren't mutually exclusive

I was saying among everything they seem to be interested in, its hard to tell which of those things they're actually that passionate about, and when they're just trying (too hard) to fit in.

oh no, someone's "trying too hard"! let's form judgements about them!

Hey, they really want to be noticed, don't they?

yeah but how "hard" is "too hard" when you are "trying"?

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what happens when you are "trying too hard" to look like you are "not trying"?

is it okay to even "try"?

To fit in? Sure, but walking cliches just come across as shallow to me.

sorry, but "trying too hard" is the lamest cop-out excuse for criticism. maybe next time you can "try harder" to articulate yourself!

Sure, but walking cliches just come across as shallow to me.

yah i often judge ppl about whom i know next to nothing as shallow too!!!

i don;'t know what we're yelling about

saying somebody is "trying too hard" is pretty much textbook "narcissism of small differences" imho

If they look so concerned with being trendy, then I feel like I really have to investigate to be convinced what they believe is not just for the sake of trendiness too.

in my experience saying a hipster is trying to hard is code for "im gonna try and fuck that hipster". its an instant sb in my book.

I only added the (too hard) up there out of frustration with being over the top trendy. Stop freaking out.

whence the concern with how other people expend their effort? does it matter?

i am seriously "freaking out" about this.

I'm not stopping anyone, just saying it seems many hipsters are so concerned with letting everyone know how hip they are that I have trouble determining whether ____ is to help them fit in to the hip crowd, or whether they feel legitimately strongly about ____. I just think doing something just to fit in is stupid thats all.

unfortunate, maybe, but not stupid. membership brings rewards, at least that's what my credit card statement says.

yeah i'm probably trolling at this point but this concern with the authenticity of trendy strangers is... probably disingenuous

Also how do you know they really have consciousness and aren't just programmed that way?

it's a natural enough reaction to be suspicious of strangers who adopt the trappings of things they don't seem to have any organic relation to.
like if you went to a teenage mutant ninja turtles convention and saw a bunch of pensioners there dressed as leonardo and shredder.

shit, what if the turing test was passed... by a hipster bot

if i saw a bunch of old people dressed as ninja turtles, i would assume their interest in ninja turtles was genuine, and possibly dementia-related

Teenage Mutant Hipster Turtles
http://yotamak.blogs.com/.a/6a00d8341c145e53ef011570732c14970b-800wi

omg look at how "hard" they are "trying"

it's a natural enough reaction to be suspicious of strangers who adopt the trappings of things they don't seem to have any organic relation to.
like if you went to a teenage mutant ninja turtles convention and saw a bunch of pensioners there dressed as leonardo and shredder.

― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, September 14, 2010 2:11 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

would you actually be "suspicious" if this happened

"something's up here guys... i got a bad vibe about this teenage mutant ninja turtles convention. keep your eyes open."

I am sensing some insincerity here.

was thinking the other day about how much the current uk sports science bro/brit-guido/meathead look is really similar to london hipsters circa 2000. it's all elaborately gelled hair, stubble, huge baggy jeans with fake wear or embroidery, big graphic tees (only superdry and ed-hardy instead of BAPE or silus) expensive trainers and aviator shades. at that time, these guys would be going out in a ben sherman shirt and black slacks or whatever.

lol, superdry even do aviators now:

http://www.superdry.com/gb/mens/sunglasses/details/19638/co-pilot-sunglasses

hipster bashing = officially a cliché. there was a horrid op-ed piece in campus newspaper (which i sometimes read while waiting for the bus) opposing hipsters. wtf.

lol hipsters

it's a natural enough reaction to be suspicious of strangers who adopt the trappings of things they don't seem to have any organic relation to.

Like all those people who wear blue jeans and yet aren't cowboys. I am suspicious of them.

Side Question: did Vampire Weekend help to popularize that oxford shirt w/ rolled sleeves and raybans look that everyone is rocking lately or are they just part of the wave?

http://www.sbpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/hipstuh.jpg

amirite

xpost

Feedback loop.

Folk Devils and Moral Panics still has so much to say to us.

"Like all those people who wear blue jeans and yet aren't cowboys. I am suspicious of them."
what if they're also carrying Smith & Wessons and Confederate scrip?