"Hipster" as pejorative.

can't really remember if there was a name for them, other than "people like nathan barley"

^^^Wadham is cool and imports Oxford's most beautiful women all the way from a certain art college in NY.

LOL the point of these comedians is they're younger than the 23-year-old people they're satirizing - and I think there's a lot of kids their age in north and east London who see scenesters (or anyone who would wear jeggings and a moustache together in public) in the same way Cornish villagers see summer tourists.

there needs to be some sort of inaccurate primer for foreigners about how the british lack-of-class system works. the term 'h_____' wasn't rly current until a few years ago afaik. this is a bit before my time but i think some form of anti-mnstrm culture was developing in inner east london (yr usual poor ppl begetting gallerists begetting speculators thing) from mid-late 90s onwards. this was well noted by newspapers (seo: edgy, trendy, vibrant etc).

some person (in a meta way) invented this character of 'nathan barley', mid 20s new media nepotism case who was supposed to be rly bad and it was said that just thinking about him would induce uncontrollable psychotic rage. later made into a sitcom. the archetype with no name now had a name.

the districts that supported this numinous scene then became totes gentrified, not surprising since they're right next to the city of london (financial district). fleeing h_____s had to go further and further into the hinterlands.

seldom going east of n1 i dunno exactly how things are now but from reading the internet it seems they now inhabit large areas of east london. however, miscegenation with more msntrm elements has diluted the original anti-mnstrm bloodlines so it's way balkan and young kids are violently disparaged in the streets by both incomprehending locals w/ tumblrs and the ageing vanguard of their own kind. the cultural signifiers which might once have included quasi-subversive elements are now basically indistinguishable from the american hipster shit ppl post here.

wadham mention was a 6/10 zing until suzy's post ;_;

lol that's pretty much how it went down iirc xp

generally doesn't it go: edgy ----> vibrant ------> trendy?

now there is a hipster backlash backlash and everyone hates charlie brooker, is it still ok to h8 banksy?

The person who invented Nathan Barley was Charlie Brooker. xpost - and NB may even be based partially on a former ilxor.

essay writing bullshit

i think i know who you mean, yeah. some of those cats would count as hipsters, some as posh folk who like drugs. so hard to tell! can't remember what i wrote. it was sillie -- i got that gig at the exact moment that i lost all interest in music. i wanted to write about shitty provincial nightclubs and what they played there.

this is odd, bringing back all sorts of repressed memories of almost being a hipster.

Wadham is cool

well, me and capt darling from blackadder went there so

is it still ok to h8 banksy?

― caek, Sunday, September 12, 2010 9:07 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

no, 'exit' ruled

curses

was scared of that. scared.

actually it ruled in a way that makes it ok to hate his work

i guess im just tired of h8 tho

it's time to <3

but I <3 h8ing banksy :(

lol

'no exit' ruled

i am fully onboard with the hipster backlash backlash, but i draw the line at banksy and his fans (who seem like xkcd fans with turntables).

i'mma watch this film though

Only 100 people turned up to see Banksy's first exhibition, but every one of them went away and drew a spunky willy on a toilet door.

don't remember meeting anyone with your name nrq (i.e. don't remember meeting you), but pretty much 50% certain we probably met some time. far out.

xkcd fans with turntables

hahaha no offense ILX dudes but nooooooo. "He's 5'8" and he has glasses...I have to fuck 'im!" I would literally never not be fucking.

― Mormons come out of the sky and they stand there (Abbbottt), Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:30 (44 minutes ago)

'annoying' is code for ws. ilx dudes are annoying. therefore women ws ilx dudes.

was just trying to disprove the truism du jour (cos i am not an ilx dude)

don't remember meeting anyone with your name nrq (i.e. don't remember meeting you), but pretty much 50% certain we probably met some time. far out.

― caek, Sunday, September 12, 2010 9:22 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark

this is totes possible. it's odd, this thread has reminded me of a bunch of odd stuff.........

exit did indeed rule

p.sure 'h______' was around in early '00s britain

Was using the word "hipster" in the early 90s but in mock of its 50s sense I think.

i remember american cousins telling me about 'scenesters' at some point (probs 1997), how they wore ironic workshirts and whatnot. was intrigued. can't remember when i noticed hipster had become the word to use for what, as nakhchivan says, had already been identified. 2003?

I live in E1 and spend most most of my time drunk or high. Y'all very jealous.

yeah poser -----> scenester ----> hipster

generally doesn't it go: edgy ----> vibrant ------> trendy?

― sarahel, Sunday, 12 September 2010 21:06 (1 hour ago)

i suppose so, but they seem(ed) to be used interchangeably in journalism

'vibrant' is usually used to denote ethnically heterogeneous areas in lieu of the old 'colourful'

'vibrant' is usually used to denote ethnically heterogeneous areas in lieu of the old 'colourful'

I am all too well acquainted with that - i live in Oakland, CA

it's odd, this thread has reminded me of a bunch of odd stuff.........

haha, when i have these odd conversations i feel like uncle monty in w&i, when he goes "aaaaah, oxford"

(don't mean i feel like a sexual predator)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEW_O1sy0ek

I still have much love for this video making fun of scenesters

ah, life before I knew what a hipster was and everybody were still all scenesters

Thats still pretty current in regards to the demographic that reads today's Alternative Press magazine.

i remember american cousins telling me about 'scenesters' at some point (probs 1997), how they wore ironic workshirts and whatnot. was intrigued. can't remember when i noticed hipster had become the word to use for what, as nakhchivan says, had already been identified. 2003?

― The sulky expression from the hilarious "Aubrey Plaza" persona (history mayne), Sunday, 12 September 2010 21:53 (Yesterday) Bookmark

had a workshirt with a name patch on in 1997 @16y/o. guess i was a "lil alt".

maybe a hipster is someone who "feels passionate about" "accessorizing with" things

― the mid- '80s vein of hellmusic we love to hate (bernard snowy), Sunday, September 12, 2010

Soooo they don't feel passionate about music and fashion and politics and art, they are passionate about looking like they are?

I'm saying the two aren't mutually exclusive

I was saying among everything they seem to be interested in, its hard to tell which of those things they're actually that passionate about, and when they're just trying (too hard) to fit in.

oh no, someone's "trying too hard"! let's form judgements about them!

Hey, they really want to be noticed, don't they?

yeah but how "hard" is "too hard" when you are "trying"?

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what happens when you are "trying too hard" to look like you are "not trying"?

is it okay to even "try"?

To fit in? Sure, but walking cliches just come across as shallow to me.

sorry, but "trying too hard" is the lamest cop-out excuse for criticism. maybe next time you can "try harder" to articulate yourself!

Sure, but walking cliches just come across as shallow to me.

yah i often judge ppl about whom i know next to nothing as shallow too!!!

i don;'t know what we're yelling about

saying somebody is "trying too hard" is pretty much textbook "narcissism of small differences" imho

If they look so concerned with being trendy, then I feel like I really have to investigate to be convinced what they believe is not just for the sake of trendiness too.

in my experience saying a hipster is trying to hard is code for "im gonna try and fuck that hipster". its an instant sb in my book.