"Hipster" as pejorative.

'i thought, he looks like an ilx dude' = female equiv of 'she's annoying' amirite

― nakhchivan, Sunday, September 12, 2010 1:15 PM (14 minutes ago)

hahaha no offense ILX dudes but nooooooo. "He's 5'8" and he has glasses...I have to fuck 'im!" I would literally never not be fucking.

lol Abbott - this guy is actually 5'8" and wears glasses!

also a bit chubby and has slightly unkempt facial hair

[via a housemate with whom i once attended a sleazenation party lol]

lol was this in oxford by any chance?

the party was in london's fashionable east london, but yeah we were taking the good old oxford tube

The guy I think of as the biggest Duffer clotheshorse ever now manages Massive Attack - suspect that anyone dissing that label in 2000 was making a dig at West London from the East (and Shoreditch Twat was Neil B00rman who ran Mother/edited Sleazenation when it went under and wrote The Bonfire of the Brands).

I knew this revive would be about the Dickhead video and I can tell you that its makers are two Londoners - Rafael and Reuben - who are comedians rather than scenesters making some kind of pre-emptive strike on their peers. From what I gather from our friend in common (young black comedian who nearly won the Hackney Empire talent contest last year, little brother of friend who is a d&b DJ) they're about 20.

Is that collective IQ or each?

so comedians and scenesters are mutually exclusive designations?

suspect that anyone dissing that label in 2000 was making a dig at West London from the East

yeah i googled duffer, and apparently it was a thing among acid jazz/straight-no-chaser types

comedians are always uncool -- weird but true

don't much care for Britishes stand-up comedy or most comedians

scenesters aren't necessarily cool imo

ha nrq, i was one of the people who ran the one in oxford in 2000 (kill me). turned into a regular night w/o sleazenation involvement at po na na which you may have ended up at ca. 2000-2002 although by then i was all physics all the time.

jesus, i probably did! it rings the dimmest of bells, but i did end up there a bit circa 2000-1. can't remember why, but lol. i reviewed it for a clerkenwell-based internet music zine iirc.

yes, i wasn't terribly clued into the oxford scene after 9/11 (nothing to do with 9/11, more to do with physics finals being in hilary), so i wasn't really involved in promoting, but yes, if you were a hipster in oxford in 2001 you came to our night. i had a friend who did some essay writing bullshit and knew fine art students and wadham students and piers gaveston members and so on and through him they all came. only ran during term time of course. i hope you gave it a suitably damning review!

of course in our day they didn't call them hipsters

can't really remember if there was a name for them, other than "people like nathan barley"

^^^Wadham is cool and imports Oxford's most beautiful women all the way from a certain art college in NY.

LOL the point of these comedians is they're younger than the 23-year-old people they're satirizing - and I think there's a lot of kids their age in north and east London who see scenesters (or anyone who would wear jeggings and a moustache together in public) in the same way Cornish villagers see summer tourists.

there needs to be some sort of inaccurate primer for foreigners about how the british lack-of-class system works. the term 'h_____' wasn't rly current until a few years ago afaik. this is a bit before my time but i think some form of anti-mnstrm culture was developing in inner east london (yr usual poor ppl begetting gallerists begetting speculators thing) from mid-late 90s onwards. this was well noted by newspapers (seo: edgy, trendy, vibrant etc).

some person (in a meta way) invented this character of 'nathan barley', mid 20s new media nepotism case who was supposed to be rly bad and it was said that just thinking about him would induce uncontrollable psychotic rage. later made into a sitcom. the archetype with no name now had a name.

the districts that supported this numinous scene then became totes gentrified, not surprising since they're right next to the city of london (financial district). fleeing h_____s had to go further and further into the hinterlands.

seldom going east of n1 i dunno exactly how things are now but from reading the internet it seems they now inhabit large areas of east london. however, miscegenation with more msntrm elements has diluted the original anti-mnstrm bloodlines so it's way balkan and young kids are violently disparaged in the streets by both incomprehending locals w/ tumblrs and the ageing vanguard of their own kind. the cultural signifiers which might once have included quasi-subversive elements are now basically indistinguishable from the american hipster shit ppl post here.

wadham mention was a 6/10 zing until suzy's post ;_;

lol that's pretty much how it went down iirc xp

generally doesn't it go: edgy ----> vibrant ------> trendy?

now there is a hipster backlash backlash and everyone hates charlie brooker, is it still ok to h8 banksy?

The person who invented Nathan Barley was Charlie Brooker. xpost - and NB may even be based partially on a former ilxor.

essay writing bullshit

i think i know who you mean, yeah. some of those cats would count as hipsters, some as posh folk who like drugs. so hard to tell! can't remember what i wrote. it was sillie -- i got that gig at the exact moment that i lost all interest in music. i wanted to write about shitty provincial nightclubs and what they played there.

this is odd, bringing back all sorts of repressed memories of almost being a hipster.

Wadham is cool

well, me and capt darling from blackadder went there so

is it still ok to h8 banksy?

― caek, Sunday, September 12, 2010 9:07 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

no, 'exit' ruled

curses

was scared of that. scared.

actually it ruled in a way that makes it ok to hate his work

i guess im just tired of h8 tho

it's time to <3

but I <3 h8ing banksy :(

lol

'no exit' ruled

i am fully onboard with the hipster backlash backlash, but i draw the line at banksy and his fans (who seem like xkcd fans with turntables).

i'mma watch this film though

Only 100 people turned up to see Banksy's first exhibition, but every one of them went away and drew a spunky willy on a toilet door.

don't remember meeting anyone with your name nrq (i.e. don't remember meeting you), but pretty much 50% certain we probably met some time. far out.

xkcd fans with turntables

hahaha no offense ILX dudes but nooooooo. "He's 5'8" and he has glasses...I have to fuck 'im!" I would literally never not be fucking.

― Mormons come out of the sky and they stand there (Abbbottt), Sunday, 12 September 2010 20:30 (44 minutes ago)

'annoying' is code for ws. ilx dudes are annoying. therefore women ws ilx dudes.

was just trying to disprove the truism du jour (cos i am not an ilx dude)

don't remember meeting anyone with your name nrq (i.e. don't remember meeting you), but pretty much 50% certain we probably met some time. far out.

― caek, Sunday, September 12, 2010 9:22 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark

this is totes possible. it's odd, this thread has reminded me of a bunch of odd stuff.........

exit did indeed rule

p.sure 'h______' was around in early '00s britain

Was using the word "hipster" in the early 90s but in mock of its 50s sense I think.

i remember american cousins telling me about 'scenesters' at some point (probs 1997), how they wore ironic workshirts and whatnot. was intrigued. can't remember when i noticed hipster had become the word to use for what, as nakhchivan says, had already been identified. 2003?

I live in E1 and spend most most of my time drunk or high. Y'all very jealous.

yeah poser -----> scenester ----> hipster

generally doesn't it go: edgy ----> vibrant ------> trendy?

― sarahel, Sunday, 12 September 2010 21:06 (1 hour ago)

i suppose so, but they seem(ed) to be used interchangeably in journalism

'vibrant' is usually used to denote ethnically heterogeneous areas in lieu of the old 'colourful'

'vibrant' is usually used to denote ethnically heterogeneous areas in lieu of the old 'colourful'

I am all too well acquainted with that - i live in Oakland, CA

it's odd, this thread has reminded me of a bunch of odd stuff.........

haha, when i have these odd conversations i feel like uncle monty in w&i, when he goes "aaaaah, oxford"

(don't mean i feel like a sexual predator)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEW_O1sy0ek

I still have much love for this video making fun of scenesters

ah, life before I knew what a hipster was and everybody were still all scenesters

Thats still pretty current in regards to the demographic that reads today's Alternative Press magazine.

i remember american cousins telling me about 'scenesters' at some point (probs 1997), how they wore ironic workshirts and whatnot. was intrigued. can't remember when i noticed hipster had become the word to use for what, as nakhchivan says, had already been identified. 2003?

― The sulky expression from the hilarious "Aubrey Plaza" persona (history mayne), Sunday, 12 September 2010 21:53 (Yesterday) Bookmark

had a workshirt with a name patch on in 1997 @16y/o. guess i was a "lil alt".