"Hipster" as pejorative.

CALLED IT

I think he's "walking the dog" there.

looool

sidebar: what's the advantage of a fixed-gear bike, over one with gears?

lighter, less parts to go wrong, less parts to get clogged up w/winter salt and muck and stuff. 'serious' cyclists will ride them in winter and couriers like them cos they're easier to maintain

My bike is a fixed-gear, but only because someone (not me) took the derailleur off.

kind of guessed it might be that, but i used to cycle like an eight mile round journey every day, and, well, yeah it involves maintenance, deal with it. my bike guy offers extremely reasonable rates, by any standards.

have a bike that is built for comfort and carrying shit [via a basket], so yeah it's heavier... hence gears.

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it's quite flat round your area though, no?

fixed gear in glasgow w/ all the hills etc would be madness. unless you, like, live for cycling which a lot of people do.

& fair play to them.

yeah it's flat here, but having a three-speed just makes underpasses/bridges/our one hill easier. lol also it's very windy! not sure if a fixie is always in 'top' or 'middle', as it were. i'd usually be in top, but it's nice to have options. tyres are always more of a maintenance issue for me, anyway. london has some pretty steep bits.

the shallowness gets to me, personally. Its very hard to tell what a hipster feels passionate about vs. what they're accessorizing with.

― I will always think of you, while (quite) fondly, myself (Evan), Sunday, September 12, 2010 5:17 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark

maybe a hipster is someone who "feels passionate about" "accessorizing with" things

I feel like passion and commitment will always always absolve you of hipsterism. Like a dude could get a few tattoos and piercings, big deal, right? he's just a few laser treatments and a law degree away back to polite society. but can a guy who makes his face look permanently like a crocodile be a hipster? that guy isn't fooling around!

so are you Brits finally understanding American ilx's dilemma vis a vis the "hipster" thing?

yeah it was completely esoteric until yesterday

lol

did charlie brooker 'invent hipster bashing'?

or that cunt who edited shoreditch twat?

[sry for the language but that was p hard to resist]

the one person on my friends list who posted that video to facebook - and thought it was hilarious - is

a) British
b) talks at length about dubstep
c) is kinda a hipster tbh

scene that celebrates itself, innit?

also - when i met that guy - i thought, he looks like an ilx dude

'i thought, he looks like an ilx dude' = female equiv of 'she's annoying' amirite

oh shit -- my one memory of 'shoreditch twat', from 1999-2000 [via a housemate with whom i once attended a sleazenation party lol], was some feature dissing some kind of person apparently seen in the clerkenwell area. and it contained all sorts of shit that i, a 19 y.o. provincial, had never heard of, this being more or less dawn-of-the-internet, but one thing i definitely remember was, omg this type of person wears DUFFER OF ST GEORGE clothing. n e ways, just leaving this post for cultural historians to pick over, but also, these things are always self-regarding. if you know why duffer of st george is totes uncool, then you're in. so shoreditch twat was rly a hipster zine that affected to mock hipsters. confusing.

ut also, these things are always self-regarding. if you know why duffer of st george is totes uncool, then you're in. so shoreditch twat was rly a hipster zine that affected to mock hipsters. confusing.

yep.

ILX is so obviously infested with hipsters, just like bedbugs in Brooklyn.

'i thought, he looks like an ilx dude' = female equiv of 'she's annoying' amirite

― nakhchivan, Sunday, September 12, 2010 1:15 PM (14 minutes ago)

hahaha no offense ILX dudes but nooooooo. "He's 5'8" and he has glasses...I have to fuck 'im!" I would literally never not be fucking.

lol Abbott - this guy is actually 5'8" and wears glasses!

also a bit chubby and has slightly unkempt facial hair

[via a housemate with whom i once attended a sleazenation party lol]

lol was this in oxford by any chance?

the party was in london's fashionable east london, but yeah we were taking the good old oxford tube

The guy I think of as the biggest Duffer clotheshorse ever now manages Massive Attack - suspect that anyone dissing that label in 2000 was making a dig at West London from the East (and Shoreditch Twat was Neil B00rman who ran Mother/edited Sleazenation when it went under and wrote The Bonfire of the Brands).

I knew this revive would be about the Dickhead video and I can tell you that its makers are two Londoners - Rafael and Reuben - who are comedians rather than scenesters making some kind of pre-emptive strike on their peers. From what I gather from our friend in common (young black comedian who nearly won the Hackney Empire talent contest last year, little brother of friend who is a d&b DJ) they're about 20.

Is that collective IQ or each?

so comedians and scenesters are mutually exclusive designations?

suspect that anyone dissing that label in 2000 was making a dig at West London from the East

yeah i googled duffer, and apparently it was a thing among acid jazz/straight-no-chaser types

comedians are always uncool -- weird but true

don't much care for Britishes stand-up comedy or most comedians

scenesters aren't necessarily cool imo

ha nrq, i was one of the people who ran the one in oxford in 2000 (kill me). turned into a regular night w/o sleazenation involvement at po na na which you may have ended up at ca. 2000-2002 although by then i was all physics all the time.

jesus, i probably did! it rings the dimmest of bells, but i did end up there a bit circa 2000-1. can't remember why, but lol. i reviewed it for a clerkenwell-based internet music zine iirc.

yes, i wasn't terribly clued into the oxford scene after 9/11 (nothing to do with 9/11, more to do with physics finals being in hilary), so i wasn't really involved in promoting, but yes, if you were a hipster in oxford in 2001 you came to our night. i had a friend who did some essay writing bullshit and knew fine art students and wadham students and piers gaveston members and so on and through him they all came. only ran during term time of course. i hope you gave it a suitably damning review!

of course in our day they didn't call them hipsters

can't really remember if there was a name for them, other than "people like nathan barley"

^^^Wadham is cool and imports Oxford's most beautiful women all the way from a certain art college in NY.

LOL the point of these comedians is they're younger than the 23-year-old people they're satirizing - and I think there's a lot of kids their age in north and east London who see scenesters (or anyone who would wear jeggings and a moustache together in public) in the same way Cornish villagers see summer tourists.

there needs to be some sort of inaccurate primer for foreigners about how the british lack-of-class system works. the term 'h_____' wasn't rly current until a few years ago afaik. this is a bit before my time but i think some form of anti-mnstrm culture was developing in inner east london (yr usual poor ppl begetting gallerists begetting speculators thing) from mid-late 90s onwards. this was well noted by newspapers (seo: edgy, trendy, vibrant etc).

some person (in a meta way) invented this character of 'nathan barley', mid 20s new media nepotism case who was supposed to be rly bad and it was said that just thinking about him would induce uncontrollable psychotic rage. later made into a sitcom. the archetype with no name now had a name.

the districts that supported this numinous scene then became totes gentrified, not surprising since they're right next to the city of london (financial district). fleeing h_____s had to go further and further into the hinterlands.

seldom going east of n1 i dunno exactly how things are now but from reading the internet it seems they now inhabit large areas of east london. however, miscegenation with more msntrm elements has diluted the original anti-mnstrm bloodlines so it's way balkan and young kids are violently disparaged in the streets by both incomprehending locals w/ tumblrs and the ageing vanguard of their own kind. the cultural signifiers which might once have included quasi-subversive elements are now basically indistinguishable from the american hipster shit ppl post here.

wadham mention was a 6/10 zing until suzy's post ;_;

lol that's pretty much how it went down iirc xp

generally doesn't it go: edgy ----> vibrant ------> trendy?

now there is a hipster backlash backlash and everyone hates charlie brooker, is it still ok to h8 banksy?

The person who invented Nathan Barley was Charlie Brooker. xpost - and NB may even be based partially on a former ilxor.

essay writing bullshit

i think i know who you mean, yeah. some of those cats would count as hipsters, some as posh folk who like drugs. so hard to tell! can't remember what i wrote. it was sillie -- i got that gig at the exact moment that i lost all interest in music. i wanted to write about shitty provincial nightclubs and what they played there.

this is odd, bringing back all sorts of repressed memories of almost being a hipster.

Wadham is cool

well, me and capt darling from blackadder went there so

is it still ok to h8 banksy?

― caek, Sunday, September 12, 2010 9:07 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

no, 'exit' ruled