The Locking of the Avril Thread

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her name was McGill, and she called herself Lill, but everyone knew her as Momus

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Every argument I've seen advanced on this thread reminds me of the slew of arguments regarding him back in November. Quite a LOT of talk about trying to encourage his 'good' side and all that. And he plays along with it by doing things like what he's doing right now, saying things like: "I don't have much of a problem with Ned." Of course. Why WOULDN'T he say that right now?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

...You begin to wonder who this dangerous, dangerous McGee might be. Then the doors swing open and in he walks: a little Scotsman who writes film reviews and is a bit disappointed by the new Morrissey record.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Momus, I really hate to say it, but you are TERRIBLE at making up metaphors!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean consistently terrible!! Where do you get them from!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

he's a hooker with a heart of gold, tho.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

they are scrawled on the reverse of his eye patches

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Let the snake wait under
his weed
and the writing
be of words, slow and quick, sharp
to strike, quiet to wait,
sleepless.
—through metaphor to reconcile
the people and the stones.
Compose. (No ideas
but in things) Invent!
Saxifrage is my flower that splits
the rocks.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

If there's one thing, ONE thing that actually is annoying me about this situation, that's grating, it's this -- you can say I'm overreacting as a moderator if you like, that's perfectly fine. I was more than used to that over the years running mailing lists, and as there I find myself questioning or considering my own decisions more than you might think. And certainly sometimes it's hard to separate my personality and its quirks and biases from my moderator hat.

But I'd like to think that while I'm not a perfect person by any means, and that there's plenty of stupid things I've done and plenty of things I still have to work on improving, that hopefully I've shown enough of whatever my good side is to enough of you -- on-line, in person, whatever -- that you can understand that I find the patronizing idiocy of this abusive, obnoxious little fuckup, his shifting stances, his claims it's ALL a joke, his pathetic attempts to butter up just after he's been spewing, his clinging to high-minded statements to justify his behavior here to be beneath contempt.

Yeah, there's something 'good' there in him. But I'll be damned if it ever actually shows. And I'm not interested in playing his game in order to see what appears. I haven't maintained every friendship I could and that eats at me sometimes. But at least I know I didn't start each friendship with an attitude best summed up as "Hey, can I piss in your mouth some more? Oh you don't like that? FUCK YOU FOR NOT GETTING MY JOKE HA HA HA HA I'm so much better than you!"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Momus' metaphors most of the time. His ratio of amusing/interesting metaphors to ones that fall flat is pretty good I think.

P.S. Like I said, I don't have much of a problem with ~~Ned~~ Calum. I'm sure he's a perfectly decent guy *OVER A ~~BEER~~ LANDMINE*

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned OTM and that's the last thing I'm saying in this thread.

― Comment dits-on...eh... le NA? (Nick A.), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Momus. So there.

― C-Man (C-Man), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

haha

what's white and looks good on c-man?

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

THE ANSWER'S IN THE QUESTION!

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Threads? Locked?

WHO WILL RID US OF THIS SCOURGE?

WHERE, OH WHERE CAN AN INNOCENT ILXor GO TO TALK WITH OTHERS? WILL THIS THREAD DROUGHT NEVER END?

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not interested in playing his game

But what if that's exactly what you were doing? What if you were contributing to the likelihood that he'll play one game rather than another, and a worse one at that?

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

(I am trying very hard not to make a metaphor involving the Iraq War. Damn it!)

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:59 (twenty-one years ago)

come on, out with it!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

When we've finished talking about how best to moderate trolls, can we have a nice long thread on rockism? Oh, hold on...

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I totally understand it, Ned. I just don't think that locking every thread he starts, no matter what's in it, is the best response. I realize it's easier to take this position when I don't actually have to take on the responsibilities of moderation myself but that's still the way it seems to me at the moment. BTW I hadn't even realized it was you who locked the threads.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I locked one last week. I'm sorry, but I see the phrase "nicky wire in a banana suit" and the red mist comes down.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the obvious answer to all this is 'why not make me a moderator?'

― C-Man (C-Man), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, you must be fucking joking!! Haven't you got your own mail list anyway?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

so calum's on the cross again, already? i wish one of our math nerds would solve the decreasing cycle equation involved in ilx events, maybe we could come up with notification system. (or a script to post the thread before it occurs, rendering us all obsolete.)

― bnw (bnw), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Momus, cut the philosophy for once, think of my sentiment behind my statement and consider that I was perhaps already aware of your point.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

answering with a question is poor form

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Did you see the Manics at Isle of White on the telly? Try telling me these fat, washed up bearded fannies would not improve vastly if Wire donned a big banana suit.

P.S. I'd be a fair and respectable moderator.

― C-Man (C-Man), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the obvious answer to all this is 'why not make me a moderator?'

-- C-Man

Okay I have to admit that this is really funny.

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

(Once upon a time they all used to hate on me. Now an upstart from my hometown has taken my place. Sob.)

at the end of the movie it's gonna turn out Momus is Calum's dad and Momus has known it all along but Calum didn't because his mom is Trevor Brown's wife* and she & the M agreed to never again speak of that blissful, heated exchange at the Queensferry Museum on that fateful afternoon all those years ago

*yes I know there are problems with this but just let me run with it k thx bye

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't got a telly, and the new IoW festival looked like teh sukc anyway!! The manics? WHO THE FUCK EVEN GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THEM ANYMORE ANYWAY????

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Ally does.

― C-Man (C-Man), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)

WHO THE FUCK EVEN GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THEM ANYMORE ANYWAY????

Calum does! He thinks of them every day! If it weren't for Calum nobody would write anything about them at all

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Ally does.

Suddenly all humble and quiet and nice. I wonder why? I wonder who will fall for it?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I do this thread once a year, and then I'm blissfully free to get on with my life. I suppose some people live here and are fighting the same battle every day, and I do understand how that must be wearing and draining. In other ways, though, it might be weirdly thrilling, like a soap opera full of sturm und drang, with a familiar villain (Dirty Den, wasn't it?). In some ways the Troll and the Moderator might have a vested interest in skirmishing forever, just to give each other a reason to live. A real fight would be quickly over, but a soap opera skirmish, well, you string that out for years, don't you, and the ratings soar, don't they?

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

hence my next twelve thematically linked albums

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't want C-man around as a constant needle so I can exercise mod power, Momus. If you believe that I do, you are extremely mistaken, and I am very disappointed.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned you're worrying me. I'm picturing you sitting behind the monitor shaking and rubbing your hands together ala that old chap in "A Clockwork Orange" or some paranoid mad scientist.

― C-Man (C-Man), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Suddenly all humble and quiet and nice. I wonder why? I wonder who will fall for it?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

man talking about Calum is so much more interesting than actually talking with Calum

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Though I think (at least in the context of ILX) they are both kinda meh.

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

To believe that people didn't have a vested interest in the skirmish, I'd have to see them choosing to de-escalate rather than escalate. Asymmetrical tactics are all about trying to force one's opponent's hand and make him act (and I pick my word with care) immoderately, with undue force.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

why do you think people are obsessed with you calum? don't you want them to be?

will these remain unanswered?

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

for Calum:

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Calum in his Ned-provoking aspect is like a vandal who throws a rock through the same window at least once every day: after a couple of years, the homeowner takes a real vested interest in breaking the fucker's arms so he can't throw any more rocks, only in our analogy the vandal then says: "Oor! Why is this guy obsessed with me?" meanwhile Calum's the one who, about once a month, whines that Ned wouldn't meet him for a drink

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

J0hn OTM except for the bit about Calum only whining once a month about Ned meeting him for a drink.

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

also Momus you see vested interests lurking around every corner in the halls of discourse and you know it

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I was just trying to structure Moderators and Trolls into a mutually-defining, mutually needy binary. Like Kafka's 'Jackals and Arabs', or Aeneas' 'Greeks and Trojans'.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Hrm, looking through that other thread about Calum, listing a bunch of his threads, I guess it's starting to make more sense. I'll admit I've been able to almost totally ignore his threads so I've missed just how much of a persistent offense he can be to someone who needs to take care of the whole board. From an objective point of view, it still seems that not every thread should be locked but it's not quite as crystal clear. I guess I can understand the tendency to just give up and react or want to do anything to shut him down.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost - or Momus's "Americans are Republicans and Vice's staff isn't"

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

"The Taking of the Avril Thread 1-2-3"

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

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