FAP Hackney? 10th, 11th or 12th June?

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i live there. it's great.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 11 June 2004 08:33 (twenty-one years ago)

and there are nice pubs

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 11 June 2004 08:34 (twenty-one years ago)

go to the dove on broadway market, there's no tv. sounds like you're house-sitting within 2 minutes of me. sadly i'm fully booked this w/end but, i'll meet you for a quick pint at some stage, if you like.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 11 June 2004 08:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Pub on the Park in London Fields is OK. They will be showing football Saturday & Sunday late afternoon / evening, but it has a terrace if you wish to get away from it.

Hackney Central is OK for snacks (the old rail station building), but I would head to 'The Pearl of Hackney', Broadway Market as stated above. There are other cafes / pubs / restaurants alongside the Dove (which itself, is lovely). Great market tomorrow morning too.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 11 June 2004 09:29 (twenty-one years ago)

i will be seen buying cheese on broadway market tomorrow, if anyone wishes to stalk me.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 11 June 2004 09:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I was going to suggest the Dove as well: it's lovely and has tasty posh pick-me-up beers.

Sorry Kate love, can't do this weekend - we will be broiling nicely in Barcelona as of tomorrow evening. Take care and enjoy the house-sitting.

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Friday, 11 June 2004 09:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Eh, I'm pretty sure I'll be mostly free over the weekend - it'd be good to see you, Kate.

― cis (cis), Friday, 11 June 2004 09:56 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm semi-booked for sunday day and evening, but would be happy to come to the land of hackney on saturday afternoon at some point. i'd like to go to the cheap shoe store next to primark, and then we could get food or drinks somewhere...

― colette (a2lette), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:35 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, if shopping is more people's pleasure, perhaps Saturday market, some Primark shopping and a pint at the Dove would be amenable? Sound good, Cis, Colette?

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:38 (twenty-one years ago)

you are both welcome to stalk me, if you wish

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:49 (twenty-one years ago)

But I don't know what you look like!

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:49 (twenty-one years ago)

handsome - i am worth stalking

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:50 (twenty-one years ago)

on a serious not, though. if yr doing the market and the dove i may well be able to make it for a quick drink... haircuts and all sorts of other stuff permitting

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Dave, you have my mobile number, right? I don't think I have yours. Nope, I don't. If you email me yer mob, I could text you when we set out, and you could give us clues where to look and stuff... ;-)

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:53 (twenty-one years ago)

okay - being stalked will make me look very cool and important, so it's a good idea

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Dave does a baby-fap shocka!! ;-)

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I shall be in Broadway Market tomorrow morning. I've not met any of you, so if you name a time and pub I will pop along for a drink.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Dave does a baby-fap shocka!! ;-)

it's not really though is it - i'm just letting people follow me

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Heh!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, I'm taking Dave's word for it that the Dove is OK, so that is the place. Time depends on what time we all get out of bed. Which in my case depends on what time the random drunken shouting B&T types shut the fuck up and let me get some sleep. Is the Broadway Market a morning only market or does it go into the afternoon?

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:02 (twenty-one years ago)

it's open till the afternoon. the dove is good, it has seats outside and does great belgian beer

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Technically it's on until about 5pm. Most of the stuff is gone by about 1pm.

I can vouch for the Dove too. It's nooky at the back. And there's a box of games like Connect 4. In fact my first proper date with my girlfriend was in The Dove.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:08 (twenty-one years ago)

MG: nooky at the back?

On a first date?

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Your mind is swimming in filth. I meant in a nook and cranny stylee.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:11 (twenty-one years ago)

That's why Dave lives in Hackney!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)

i am not mikey's girlfriend

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:15 (twenty-one years ago)

hey, i'm just around the corner from here! i'm busy tomorrow for most of the day helping Huey move house, but I might be around before Magnetic Fields tomorrow late afternoon/early evening, and Sunday arvo's a definite possibility too. Txt me darl...I know pubs. Many pubs.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Txt me darl
Are you a girl? (sorry)

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:21 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, i'd rather keep this a 'when i wake up i'll be along' kind of thing, but could be talked into setting a time and place. although i'm not sure if i could get to the broadway market on my own without getting lost...

― colette (a2lette), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't actually know where Broadway Market is, either. But the flat where I'm house-sitting is right on the 38, so just get here and we'll A to Z it.

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Broadway Market is pretty much slap-bang between Bethnal Green tube and the corner of Graham Road and Mare St, thus probably quite a handy mid-point meeting point innit.

And no, I'm not (much of) a girl, Pinkpanther, although I believe you might be..?

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Nah I'm only joking, I know you're a boy, it's just exactly the sort of thing I'd say! Sorry, just bored at work & messing on ILX! And yeah, I'm all woman! heh!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:32 (twenty-one years ago)

pink, charlie would be your biggest fan, what with your bright trainers and sparkly nails...

― colette (a2lette), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I have the best nails at the moment Colette! In the bottle it was a sparkly orange affair, but it looks pink, of course, with loadsa orangey glitter bits. very fancy dontcha know! ;-) What shall I have for Glasto huh? Oh & Colette, can i pls (pretty pink please) have your mobile number, so that we can meet up on the thursday night at glasto?

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Belgian beer and connect four sounds like a fantastic way to spend a saturday afternoon.

Might be an idea to have an approximate time, even if it's depending on when we get out of bed... tho', Kate and Colette, you both have my number, yes? And can probably while away time at market.

― cis (cis), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Cis, are you going to Glasto?

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:40 (twenty-one years ago)

(Kate-pls don't kill me for talking about Glasto on this thread)

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:40 (twenty-one years ago)

ok, pink i'm going to email you from my fancy new gmail account!

kate, will you send me an email with the postcode of where you're staying? i'll streetmap it and have a better idea of where i'm going tomorrow...

― colette (a2lette), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:42 (twenty-one years ago)

It's OK, you're just talking, you're not posting 400 POSTS IN AN HOUR BABBLING ABOUT HOW TO GET TICKETS!!!!

I tend to get up quite early (we're talking 7/8am here, assuming the B&T's let me get some sleep) so if you guys want to meet at a time later than that (which I assume you do coz I doubt the market will be open that early) perhaps make a broad timespan suggestion?

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Woo! I'll let you have my work address if you'd prefer to send it there??!!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know the postcode, but it is Streetmapped Here...

(If anyone wants to use this to stalk me, you're out of luck coz I don't actually live there, ha ha!)

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, more like lunchtime for me, probably. 1 is a safe bet, but i'll text you in the am when i'm about. you guys can feel free to make plans earlier and i can join you when i get there, i'm sure we'll be able to find each other.

(although i do want to go to that shoe shop, as long as i'm going to hackney)

― colette (a2lette), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:55 (twenty-one years ago)

1pm or a bit earlier sounds good.

Pink - I'm not, wish I was. :(

Am dead envious of your glittery nailpolish, too. (even if I have no nails to speak of at the moment. damn elections making me twitchy.)

― cis (cis), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Damn! According to the map, Broadway Market looks MILES away from where I am. I have grown spoiled by central London, or am I reading the wrong scale on the map? I will get up early and go to Primark before the queues. I need flirty summer dresses.

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 12:01 (twenty-one years ago)

ah, now i remember what else i'd been thinking about doing tomorrow...

www.opensquares.org.uk

― colette (a2lette), Friday, 11 June 2004 12:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh wait, no, I'm being dumb, I misunderstood the scale of the map. I didn't realise London Fields was so close to where I am!

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 12:02 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post... for a moment, I thought that the Duke of Bedford's private garden was open to the public, and thought with joy of the amount of noise Joe would have to endure, but unfortunately, that is not the case, it's just Russell Square.

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 12:05 (twenty-one years ago)

The market is walkable from Hackney Central. Just the other side of London Fields.

Alternatively, jump on a bus down Mare Street heading East. Get off just after it crosses the Grand Union Canal.

I can confirm I am not Dave's girlfriend.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 11 June 2004 12:08 (twenty-one years ago)

heading East

East? East? Mental! South, surely...

Canal bit's right tho.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 11 June 2004 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

You're right, south.

Just, er, testing.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 11 June 2004 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Skipping 29 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

No, no, he doesn't care if they're washed, it's not a hassle doing it. I just like them on the floor and he likes them in a basket; a rug would not be a solution.

(One of the solutions would be HIM GETTING HIS CLOTHES OUT OF THE WASHING MACHINE WHEN THEY'RE DONE, INSTEAD OF LETTING THEM SIT THERE FOR DAYS, SO I CAN ALSO USE THE WASHING MACHINE but that is a particular pet peeve of mine.)

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm in a pissy mood now, so I think I'm going to try to walk back to Hackney. Wow, it looks like a long way, how long before I give up and take the bus. Cis, Colette, message me when you're on your way. Anyone else who wants to be stalked, email me your mobile number and we will make arrangements. I'm not unpopular, I'm just exclusive. Hah.

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm going with some friends to the LIFT fireworks extravaganza in Victoria Park on Saturday evening. More info: www.liftfest.org and look for lift 2004, groupe f. The plan is to be in The Crown from 7pm ish and then move into Vic Park for a picnic and then fireworks.

― Daniel (dancity), Friday, 11 June 2004 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmmm. I'm not sure we're still going to be out drinking that late. We have however just finished with Primark (ohmigod, spent too much money but too cute clothes) and are now heading down to Broadway Market if anyone would like to join us in the Pub!

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Saturday, 12 June 2004 12:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Heh heh. Spent most of the afternoon sitting in the sun/cloud/sun/cloud/no, so again, discussing whether or not the various cute boys that passed by highlighted their hair or if it was natural. It's nice to know I still have a libido.

Then I walked to Hackney Marsh. What a strange, beautiful, godforsaken sort of place. It was totally deserted. I can't remember the last time I saw a space that large so empty of people in London. And the River Lea on one side the Lee River Naviation on the other. Lee and Lea in perfect harmoneeeeee. Hackney looks like it was once very beautiful. Especially Sutton House and Sutton Place.

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Saturday, 12 June 2004 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Oooh! I'm in Sutton Place right now. What a small world

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Sunday, 13 June 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you live in Sutton Place? You lucky dog! (unless you have some kind of mobile connection.) It's really lovely! The spooky churchyard with no church left seemed to be like a corridor through another time. The sort of place where you're not sure if you're going to encounter a modern crack dealer or an 18th Century grave robber.

― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 07:46 (twenty-one years ago)

So what did you buy K?

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:12 (twenty-one years ago)

and now matt dc should be prepared to set a date for the cambridge FAP...

― colette (a2lette), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I knew you were going to ask that, Pink! I was about to write you an email about it. I bought two pairs of very plain work trousers, one in blue, one in black. A couple of flirty, stripey, button-down summer shirts, and, on Colette's provocation a rather tight and possibly sexy pale blue tank-top/vest/wifebeater thing which I was VERY uncertain of due to Fear Of Log-Arm but which actually made Joe run up and start humping my leg like a dog when I came home wearing it. So there you go.

x-post, Colette, are you going to share your Primark purchases with the class? ;-)

― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:16 (twenty-one years ago)

sure, but they weren't very interesting. about 6 or 7 tshirts (i'm wearing the only crew-neck one today, in a bright pale teal, if that makes any sense), 6 pairs of socks, 2 vests, a 3-pack of pants and 2 bra/pant sets.

i really love that store.

kate's stripey shirts are cool, and she bought clothes in color! wow!

― colette (a2lette), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I am actually wearing an all Primark outfit right now! (Blue work trousers and a mock Fred Perry style shirt) Oh, I forgot I bought blue pants as well. Everything I bought was blue, except one of the stripey shirts was pale purple and blue stripes. I'm trying to get into this "wearing colours" thing again, since all my fat clothes are black.

― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, and Colette you forgot to tell about the spotted pointilist shirt! I liked that one a lot!

― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Woo for colour! (sorry to be so predictable K! ;-) It's just that I am so broke that I have to live my retail addiction through others!) They all sound like lubberly purchases.
K-write me an email about your w/e & what happened with J's return to the flat, if you know what I mean.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I will write you a full explanation when I've finished running my reports! (Which means I should stop mucking about on ILX, seriously.)

― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Sutton House incorrectly promotes itself as the oldest house in the east end. The Ancient House in Walthamstow is far older.

I was over Hackney Marshes yesterday. There were turtles on the non-navigable arm of the river. And dragonflies bombarding the water.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Turtles! I saw only a dog! I wish I'd seen the turtles. The non-navigable River Lee or Lea is possibly one of the most beautiful spots in London.

Is Walthamstowe actually East End, though? Isn't Walthamstowe near Waltham Cross and actually recently swallowed Essex? I should look it up in the A to Z to correct my geography.

― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Walthamstow is about 7 miles from Waltham cross, is inside the 406 and has an E postcode. It's North east London really though.

― chris (chris), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks, Chris. So the answer is, yessssss technically, but not really.

― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes it is technically East London. Used to be part of Essex before the shake up last century.

The division between London and Essex was originally the Lea.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:53 (twenty-one years ago)

So, is Walthamstowe on the other side of the River Lee or Lea, then? In that case, even if it's technically East London, it's still Essex and doesn't count. And how Ancient is this Ancient House, anyway? Is it justifiably Ancient? More ancient than Henry VIII?

― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Cambridge - Fancy A Punt?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:56 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.lbwf.gov.uk/environment/design_awards/design_awards_ancient_hse.stm

It says 15th century in this link, but I think it is actually early sixteenth. Walthamstow is now firmly East London and Sutton House should quietly drop their claim.

Back in even older days, the Lea / Lee was the division between the Saxons and Danelaw.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm trying to remember which river was the division between the Saxons and the Romano-Celts, but I think it was one of the burried ones.

― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Does East End = East London? I always thought it meant the chunk nearest the city. You wouldn't talk about Ladbroke Grove or Shepheds Bush being West End would you?

I'm not sure how this works exactly.

― Tim (Tim), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I always thought East End meant pretty much anywhere in East London, but West End is a very specific bit of Central London between, arbitrarily speaking, Aldwych and Marble Arch.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that Tim's right. I generally think of the East End as being the strip between Tower and the course of the old wall on the west and the river Lee or Lea on the East.

But I can't remember if Sutton House advertises itself as "the oldest house in the East End" (which it might well be) or "the oldest house in East London" (which would be this justified and ancient house of Walthamstowe.)

― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:12 (twenty-one years ago)

There are various definitions, but as a general rule, the E postcode prefix is the best guide. The notion of what constitutes the east end has changed over the years as local government was reorganised and with the post war housing boom. Traditionally it meant to the east of the City (i.e Whitechappell, Shoreditch etc), but only because beyond these places were fields.

Most of what is now the east end was Essex. East Ham, West Ham, Canning Town, Walthamstow, Leyton, Leytonstone etc etc were all hamlets which were built up after the docks were built.

There was some discussion about this in the papers when Eastenders started. Walford being pretty much a post-war district that would have been east of the Lea.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:17 (twenty-one years ago)

nineteen years pass...

Off to see the Notwist at Earth on Sunday (Hackney) and staying in a Premier Inn in Shoreditch.

Any food recommendations near-ish (more "not a faff" than necessarily close) for an evening meal and then breakfast the next day?

Bit broad but any recommendations for London things at the moment?

― djh, Sunday, 12 May 2024 16:30 (two years ago)

Mangal 2 is pretty much opposite your venue, very good turkish place (went from hearty trad food to bourgie small plates but still great eating). Brunswick East does good breakfast.

― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 13 May 2024 12:40 (two years ago)

xp The obvious thing to eat near Earth would be Turkish - lots of good Turkish round there. Can't go wrong with Mangal 1 (quite trad ocakbasi) or Mangal 2 (more hipstery and unusual / cheffy) - the latter less likely to make you so full you want to go to sleep during the show. If you'd rather eat closer to your hotel there are a bunch of good Vietnamese places just round the corner at the bottom of Kingsland Road, which leaves you with a pretty quick and simple bus ride to get to Dalston (the 149 amongst others). But there is a massive amount of choice which qualifies as "nota faff" - if you have anything you would particularly like feel free to narrow it down.

― Tim, Monday, 13 May 2024 15:30 (two years ago)

Thanks both.

― djh, Monday, 13 May 2024 19:59 (two years ago)

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