What is considered a "fat girl" these days? I really want to know.

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"An extremely loose guideline suggests allowing 100 lbs for 5'0" tall, and in women, another 5 lbs for each additional inch of height (men are spotted 10 lbs for each additional inch)."

Blimey. Am I pigging out tonight!

Trevor, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

damnit...and according to ed's i'm overweight! fuggin metric system...

jess, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Why not just sleep with her, but avoid being seen in public displays of affection?

dave q, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I was waiting for someone to pick a line out of context from his initial question and call him a dickhead or something. Like "is this fat or normal". Do your worst you pc thugs.

Ronan, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

On reflection that posting probably wasnt my finest idea.

Ronan, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

the problem with questions like this one is that any answers that might exist are all tied up in personal issues and cultural (ab)norms not to mention less ephemeral things like bone structure. sure, pounds are a concrete mathematical measurement, but two women who are the same height and weight can look worlds different because of body shape, how they dress, etc.

i personally will say that if i weighed between 150-170 lbs i'd be pretty happy. (nb, i'm five foot four.) i do often struggle with my own perception of how i look on the fat/overweight but eh/ok scale, with the answers usually resting somewhere in between the first two.

questions like this are totally hard, in part because the midsection of the 'fat' slope is more often than not fairly slippery and in part because saying 'i'm fat' is probably the most generic catch-all expression of dissatisfaction with one's appearance. (i know that i hear it a lot more than 'i'm ugly' - do you?) also there's the whole idea of attractiveness being the sum of more than just physical bits, and the sliding scale of what turns people on ... and and and ...

maura, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

what's this, I have people here advocating my demise, calling on hordes to attack me on grounds of my perhaps-retarded inquiry, waiting to see my getting blasted by er, thugs? dude, i already inspired Mark C to start an entire thread out of anger at the first sentence of my 'shitty' question - see for yourself.

i appreciate all of your responses, even dave Q's (even though I can't do that since frankly, I can't just "fuck" one I might not be aroused by in the first place... enough performance anxiety here without that factor), but I liked Samantha's the best, since dolt that I am, only after reading that did it strike me that this really REALLY is a sensitive issue with her. D'oh ho ho, I don't care if she looks like Mrs. Santa Claus, I'm still going to meet her and be friends, if nothing more.

Vic, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

the first paragraph of that last post was for ronan, not maura.

Vic, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

actually that last post makes me sound like a snob. it's not like i already don't have friends of all different shapes. it's just that i never was talking to one online before with the prospect of dating them, and then found out about their size

Vic, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Vic that was not my intention at all. I was just surprised noone did attack you because threads like these have been very touchy in the past. I find nothing offensive in what you said and totally understand you being careful about it.

Ronan, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I weigh 800 pounds, and I am generally not considered fat these days. So, I think you have nothing to worry about with your girlfriend. Check that she is not an immigrant though - I believe that they sometimes lie about their weight, even up to the second or third face to face meeting.

maryann, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Don't be such a bitch.

Ronan, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I bet you wouldn't call me a bitch if I wasn't what-they-used-to-call- dangerously-obese

maryann, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

How much, I will if you will.

Ronan, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

no, i have a feeling he'd call you a bitch either way. one thing about our man fitzgerald is that he's consistent.

instead of bitches, could everyone reign in their 8 yr old side for a second. thanks.

jess, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Does Shaggy hate women?

maryann, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

And I didn't call you a bitch. I said you were acting like a bitch. If you've got a problem with someone you don't have to tell them in such a snide way. This is turning into veggie debate again.

Ronan, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

That's a koan I once heard

maryann, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I mean, 'does Shaggy hate women', not what Ronan said

maryann, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Wait a sec...'talking to people you're not aroused by'?

dave q, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Does Vic hate vegetables? Would he date one? Under what conditions?

maryann, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm taking my 8 year old side away with the other ten years of me before I say anything else.

Ronan, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i have been spammed six or seven times in the last few days by a cyberperson named linda gillie, or similar, promising me a fat- free future if [insert diet regime here: i can't cuz i didn't read it]. i assume she is related to funladynow as regards genuine human presence and intention; and is preying on loneliness and confused self- hatred, but is it arbitrary or does she only spam the (not unhealthily) over-weight?

i also got a very strange one from douglas hsu, which i cd not decode as to content, which also went to mjemmeson and mitch, i noticed, plus a buncha foaxs whose addys i dint know)

mark s, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

haw ha on the immigrant thing, if that was in reference to me and my FOBs

who is generally regarded as the most trouble-making, discord- creating ile poster around here anyway???

Vic, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

j-lu

mark s, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

THAT WAS A JOKE!!

mark s, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm no fashion model, but (and I don't mean to come off like a eugenicist) I agree with Mark S

maryann, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I do hate vegetables yet must eat them anyway; therefore I wish I'd be let off the hook when it comes to PHAT people, GEEEZ.

And it was talking to people I MIGHT not be aroused by.

sincerely,

an 8 yr old

Vic, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Vic, did you ever think that it might not be UNDER THEIR CONTROL? Not everybody is blessed by nature.

maryann, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm talking about Shaggy, btw

maryann, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

agreeing with mark s = coming off like a eugenicist?!¿¡

mark s, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Sorry I meant Mark *C*

maryann, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

not j-lu, jel

mark s, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

You know, the one who wrote about the pubic hair problem

maryann, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think I should preface all of my postings on this thread with an ironic-content warning...

...but yes, I have considered that, I of course don't think it's someone's "fault," and honestly, I would rather date a healthy 160 pound/5'8" girl than an anorexic, anyday. But I am also sticking to that ideal of honesty when I truthfully confess that if I had a choice and I didn't know the girl's personality AT ALL, I would probably choose a slimmer girl over those stats, not least because i am such a toothpick myself and have had painful experiences with overweight women before. Yet in my situation, i already KNOW the girl's personality, so I'm not just going to be sgum (see the fob board) and drop her or anything...I'm going to take a chance and see what she's like *as a person* in person. I would never just hold her weight against her or use it to "blame" her, like you're implying.

Vic, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

no one can get a word in with him posting

mark s, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

oops, crossed post. It was MARK C who wrote about the pubic hair problem, not Jel.

maryann, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

not jel is who i meant by j-lu

don't think pubic problem, maryann, think PUBIC OPPORTUNITY

or was it jess? he's a blabmouth considering he has such a teenytiny head

mark s, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I wouldnt fuck Shaggy with a vegetable because he'd eventually end up using it to fulfill himself when I wasn't there and then write a hilarious song about me finding out.

Ronan, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Vic, I know you are being an honest person, and I respect you for that. I suppose I was being a little sarcastic, but believe when I say, I know it could never work out between us, anyway, as I am not into the same music.

maryann, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"it wasn't pea"

mark s, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ronan - same

maryann, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

To what extent is physical attraction important in a relationship. It's certainly significant yes?

Ronan, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

you headist.

jess, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

As I said to Vic. Mark S - the follow up single, to balance the damage caused to his vegetable audience, could be, 'Angel of the Corning'. This would also alert his hardcore listeners to the 'ballad-nature' of the song, which might be disturbing to them.

maryann, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ronan - physical attraction is very important in a relationship, I SHOULD KNOW.

maryann, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Any port in a storm

dave q, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

to what extent is musical-taste convergence important in a relationship? to what extent is a fantasy for fulfilling each other with vgetables?

huh, wait...maryann, how do you know about my musical tastes or fantasies anyway????

Vic, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

(ps i am going to sign off now as i am on miedication — ovah-the-counter — for my mack-ache which [this has just clicked] caused comment at work today: "mark, you sitting behind your screen giggling and talking to yourself EVEN MORE THAN USUAL" was the gist of it)

the j-lu/jel thing = a gag spoiled by all these ppl having their serious argt; the jess thing = TRUE cuz i saw it in a dream

(which reminds i dreamt abt duane last night maryann: he wasn't there, but every dilemma that presented itself, i wondered solennly WHAT WOULD DUANE DO? I didn't start the Cuprofen Max Strength till this morning either)

carry on folks you've been a swell audience (except for YOU)

mark s, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

mack-ache = work it out

mark s, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

ZAFTIG, mentioned above, appears late in Jonathan Lethem's novel THE FORTRESS OF SOLITUDE. I understood the word so little I had to look it up. I'm still not sure I understand it, and perhaps I understand it even less after seeing its use on this thread.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 09:25 (fifteen years ago) link

George Pesante

Passantino's new pen name found!

King Boy Pato, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 09:34 (fifteen years ago) link

Seriously, could any c-man or c-woman here really, honestly, be dating a person? An honest answer is required.
-- ken c (ken c), Friday, 16 July 2004

the pinefox, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 09:35 (fifteen years ago) link

ha zaftig. margaret cho uses that word best.

Surmounter, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 13:51 (fifteen years ago) link

to mean ... what?

the pinefox, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 14:05 (fifteen years ago) link

chubster

Surmounter, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 14:06 (fifteen years ago) link

gosh, I don't think that's what Lethem meant by it. Maybe I will report back on this. It's in the last quarter or so of TFoS, when Dylan Ebdus, invisible, sees a female prison guard and thinks admiringly that she's zaftig.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 14:18 (fifteen years ago) link

margaret had a great gig about how her producers were telling her she was zaftig. and then at a restaurant she heard the waitress say "zaftig, perhaps?" but really she was saying "a soft drink, perhaps?"

mwahaha

Surmounter, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 14:39 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah, it means thick in the good way.

Jordan, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 14:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Curvy, soft. Pudgy maybe but in an erm extremely feminine way. Alternately it could just mean "busty".

Laurel, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 14:46 (fifteen years ago) link

Also I don't know if you'd call a petite girl with a big rack "zaftig", I feel like there are connotations of stature as well, like, y'know "a lot of woman".

Laurel, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 14:47 (fifteen years ago) link

sounds like my kind of tig, I mean, ting, I mean, thing.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 14:52 (fifteen years ago) link

so is like rose mcgowan a good example of zaftig or is she still too skinny?

Surmounter, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 14:57 (fifteen years ago) link

Far too skinny surely!

Tom D., Tuesday, 22 July 2008 14:59 (fifteen years ago) link

She's not remotely chubby, is she?

Tom D., Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:00 (fifteen years ago) link

A famously nearly nude Hollywood starlet like RMcG? Totally, totally way way too skinny unless you mean merely in comparison to a runway model.

Laurel, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:02 (fifteen years ago) link

no, especeially not these days, but she's always pulled off that beautiful voluptuous thing

right, right, i know you're right.

Surmounter, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:03 (fifteen years ago) link

Jess needs to be here to properly define this

kingfish, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:03 (fifteen years ago) link

Charlotte Church?

Tom D., Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:04 (fifteen years ago) link

RIP Jess's definitions

Laurel, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:07 (fifteen years ago) link

Re Charlotte Church, a quick GIS says "maybe, depending on which photo yer talking about" to me.

Laurel, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:12 (fifteen years ago) link

She is zaftig these days

Tom D., Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:14 (fifteen years ago) link

The point is sort of that zaftig is a folk term, and was born from the Ashkenazic population of sort of famously peasant-y Eastern Europeans (I think, don't ask me to trace it back any farther). I would say that a) it's all relative, and b) there's an essential earthiness or hmm... suggestion of bounty, fertility.

Laurel, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:14 (fifteen years ago) link

sounds otm to me

Surmounter, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:15 (fifteen years ago) link

zaf·tig Audio Help /ˈzɑftɪk, -tɪg/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[zahf-tik, -tig] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective Slang.
1. Gianna Michaels, fer real

yungblut, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:16 (fifteen years ago) link

http://bengals.hp.infoseek.co.jp/pict/past_player/ickey_shuffle03.jpg

yungblut, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:16 (fifteen years ago) link

180 lbs isn't fat! Not if you're tall, anyway. I mean it's not skinny, either...was that article written by an R. Crumb of 1918?

Abbott, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 18:04 (fifteen years ago) link

Funnily enough I was watching the new American Gladiators show last night and they give height and weight for the glads -- and none of the women was admitted to be over 155 lbs even though they ranged from 5'7" to 5'10" and clearly all had shoulders and thighs the size of quarterbacks'. I do respectfully suggest that that is extremely unlikely; 180 sounds far more probable (and healthful).

Laurel, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 18:27 (fifteen years ago) link

i would suggest that you are right about that

rrrobyn, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 18:39 (fifteen years ago) link

are fat girls really sluttier??

homosexual II, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 19:03 (fifteen years ago) link

okay, SLUTTIER is not the word.
easier to get in the sack?

i guess as a ZAFTIG girl myself I should know the answer to that

homosexual II, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 19:04 (fifteen years ago) link

Googled for the legernd that is George Pesante and found that the article is from a 1962 bongo mag:

http://www.erosblog.com/2008/07/17/chubby-girl-1962/

(nsfw pic, btw)

Bodrick III, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 19:34 (fifteen years ago) link


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