What is considered a "fat girl" these days? I really want to know.

Blimey. Am I pigging out tonight!

i personally will say that if i weighed between 150-170 lbs i'd be pretty happy. (nb, i'm five foot four.) i do often struggle with my own perception of how i look on the fat/overweight but eh/ok scale, with the answers usually resting somewhere in between the first two.

questions like this are totally hard, in part because the midsection of the 'fat' slope is more often than not fairly slippery and in part because saying 'i'm fat' is probably the most generic catch-all expression of dissatisfaction with one's appearance. (i know that i hear it a lot more than 'i'm ugly' - do you?) also there's the whole idea of attractiveness being the sum of more than just physical bits, and the sliding scale of what turns people on ... and and and ...

i appreciate all of your responses, even dave Q's (even though I can't do that since frankly, I can't just "fuck" one I might not be aroused by in the first place... enough performance anxiety here without that factor), but I liked Samantha's the best, since dolt that I am, only after reading that did it strike me that this really REALLY is a sensitive issue with her. D'oh ho ho, I don't care if she looks like Mrs. Santa Claus, I'm still going to meet her and be friends, if nothing more.

instead of bitches, could everyone reign in their 8 yr old side for a second. thanks.

i also got a very strange one from douglas hsu, which i cd not decode as to content, which also went to mjemmeson and mitch, i noticed, plus a buncha foaxs whose addys i dint know)

who is generally regarded as the most trouble-making, discord- creating ile poster around here anyway???

And it was talking to people I MIGHT not be aroused by.

sincerely,

an 8 yr old

...but yes, I have considered that, I of course don't think it's someone's "fault," and honestly, I would rather date a healthy 160 pound/5'8" girl than an anorexic, anyday. But I am also sticking to that ideal of honesty when I truthfully confess that if I had a choice and I didn't know the girl's personality AT ALL, I would probably choose a slimmer girl over those stats, not least because i am such a toothpick myself and have had painful experiences with overweight women before. Yet in my situation, i already KNOW the girl's personality, so I'm not just going to be sgum (see the fob board) and drop her or anything...I'm going to take a chance and see what she's like *as a person* in person. I would never just hold her weight against her or use it to "blame" her, like you're implying.

don't think pubic problem, maryann, think PUBIC OPPORTUNITY

or was it jess? he's a blabmouth considering he has such a teenytiny head

huh, wait...maryann, how do you know about my musical tastes or fantasies anyway????

the j-lu/jel thing = a gag spoiled by all these ppl having their serious argt; the jess thing = TRUE cuz i saw it in a dream

(which reminds i dreamt abt duane last night maryann: he wasn't there, but every dilemma that presented itself, i wondered solennly WHAT WOULD DUANE DO? I didn't start the Cuprofen Max Strength till this morning either)

carry on folks you've been a swell audience (except for YOU)

ZAFTIG, mentioned above, appears late in Jonathan Lethem's novel THE FORTRESS OF SOLITUDE. I understood the word so little I had to look it up. I'm still not sure I understand it, and perhaps I understand it even less after seeing its use on this thread.

George Pesante

Passantino's new pen name found!

Seriously, could any c-man or c-woman here really, honestly, be dating a person? An honest answer is required.
-- ken c (ken c), Friday, 16 July 2004

ha zaftig. margaret cho uses that word best.

to mean ... what?

chubster

gosh, I don't think that's what Lethem meant by it. Maybe I will report back on this. It's in the last quarter or so of TFoS, when Dylan Ebdus, invisible, sees a female prison guard and thinks admiringly that she's zaftig.

margaret had a great gig about how her producers were telling her she was zaftig. and then at a restaurant she heard the waitress say "zaftig, perhaps?" but really she was saying "a soft drink, perhaps?"

mwahaha

yeah, it means thick in the good way.

Curvy, soft. Pudgy maybe but in an erm extremely feminine way. Alternately it could just mean "busty".

Also I don't know if you'd call a petite girl with a big rack "zaftig", I feel like there are connotations of stature as well, like, y'know "a lot of woman".

sounds like my kind of tig, I mean, ting, I mean, thing.

so is like rose mcgowan a good example of zaftig or is she still too skinny?

Far too skinny surely!

She's not remotely chubby, is she?

A famously nearly nude Hollywood starlet like RMcG? Totally, totally way way too skinny unless you mean merely in comparison to a runway model.

no, especeially not these days, but she's always pulled off that beautiful voluptuous thing

right, right, i know you're right.

Jess needs to be here to properly define this

Charlotte Church?

RIP Jess's definitions

Re Charlotte Church, a quick GIS says "maybe, depending on which photo yer talking about" to me.

She is zaftig these days

The point is sort of that zaftig is a folk term, and was born from the Ashkenazic population of sort of famously peasant-y Eastern Europeans (I think, don't ask me to trace it back any farther). I would say that a) it's all relative, and b) there's an essential earthiness or hmm... suggestion of bounty, fertility.

sounds otm to me

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1. Gianna Michaels, fer real

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180 lbs isn't fat! Not if you're tall, anyway. I mean it's not skinny, either...was that article written by an R. Crumb of 1918?

Funnily enough I was watching the new American Gladiators show last night and they give height and weight for the glads -- and none of the women was admitted to be over 155 lbs even though they ranged from 5'7" to 5'10" and clearly all had shoulders and thighs the size of quarterbacks'. I do respectfully suggest that that is extremely unlikely; 180 sounds far more probable (and healthful).

i would suggest that you are right about that

are fat girls really sluttier??

okay, SLUTTIER is not the word.
easier to get in the sack?

i guess as a ZAFTIG girl myself I should know the answer to that

Googled for the legernd that is George Pesante and found that the article is from a 1962 bongo mag:

http://www.erosblog.com/2008/07/17/chubby-girl-1962/

(nsfw pic, btw)