Why I hate the Daily Mail, as distilled into one edition

journalists are depressing

except all those lovely journalists who post on ilx obviously

some good news at least
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1309135/Puppy-throwing-girl-Grandmother-saved-dogs-struggling-water.html

lol at the Mail - watch the horrific puppy hurling AGAIN! Now!

Take note Wayne, here's one footballer who's sticking by his WAG: Rio Ferdinand and wife relax on French holiday

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Last updated at 2:12 PM on 7th September 2010

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With Wayne Rooney, Ashley Cole and Peter Crouch all having faced allegations of cheating, it's refreshing to see a footballer who's sticking with his wife.

Rio Ferdinand and Rebecca Ellison looked calm and relaxed as they travelled through Nice Airport en route back to England.

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Despite the fact Rio was himself alleged to have had a fling with a model while on his stag week earlier this year, Rebecca apparently decided to give their marriage another shot.

so it's not like they're trying to set up ferdinand for a fall, like

More like for a merking.

Take note Wayne, here's one footballer who's sticking by his WAG

Shouldn't it be Coleen sticking by Rooney and not the other way round? "Sticking with" doesn't make fidelity sound terribly appealing if they are really meaning he should be sticking with his wife and child, does it?

I also mentioned it on the Premier League thread, but this story equating being a hooker who sells her story to the paper to being murdered (illustrated by some lovely bikini snaps) is just awful.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1309847/Jennifer-Thompson-Amy-Leigh-Barnes-Two-victims-WAG-lifestyle.html

tbf i think a merking involves a flagrant deception of the merkee. i'm guessing rio ferdindand can fuck up his personal life all by himself, should he so desire.

Nah you need a cunt of a shitbag journalist to do the job proper like.

if yr being cynical, which of course would be wrong, you could link the rags' sudden interest in showing what a nice, sensible, white accountant wife rio ferdinand has to the superinjunctions currently obtained by several england players.

I was just thinking I hadn;t heard much about Rio's wife and she didn't seem like yer average WAG

Liz Jones sticks up for other inane babbling idiot while having a dig at people who aren't pig ugly and have the audacity to have children, etc non shocker

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1311217/LIZ-JONES-Kay-Burley-isnt-dim-She-just-doesnt-tanned-legs-doe-eyed-look.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1311228/Taxpayer-funds-council-adventures-Sindia-Lesbianandgayland.html

Just savour that url

She doesn’t fawn. She’s cantankerous, impatient and prickly. And men, even gay ones, hate that.

Liz Jones U R MAD.

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I don't want to click on it and ruin it - I'll stick to some Narnia-esque imaginings.

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2010/Sep/Week3/15734806.jpg

also why is the free cd inside kylie?

I thought daily mail readers hated animal rights activists, they going for a new demographic?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1313303/Britain-goes-halal---tells-public.html

They care about animal rights in the same way they care about gay rights - they're willing to hold their nose and fake some concern if it means attacking Islam. This story also includes their hypocrisy about free markets - which they're all for if it means screwing working people, but heaven forbid capitalist logic should dictate anything that affects their bizarre notions about 'anglo-saxon' civilisation.

Love how they tie it in with the Pope's visit.
tbh, I'm quite surprised by this, is halal chicken really cheap?
Honest question, because it isn't particularly cheap in halal butchers around our way. And have you ever tried getting a free-range halal turkey? More expensive than gold.

Obv the mail's concern for this is hypocritical, and this line: "The vast majority of people in this country would not want meat of this origin" from Tory MP Andrew Rosindell is cleary bullshit, has he never heard of kebab shops? But from an animal welfare perpective this is potentially a serious issue.

This makes about as much sense as going into a delicatessen in Golders Green and wondering why the meat is Kosher (both butchery methods are about avoiding blood in the meat and all the traditional prohibitions Muslims and Jews observe were responses to food poisoning risks in a certain climate). The only religious sect that objects to eating Halal meat on cruelty grounds *specifically* is Sikhism (but even so, most Sikhs I know will take a punt on the amazing Halal kebab place in Southall).

This makes about as much sense as going into a delicatessen in Golders Green and wondering why the meat is Kosher

not really, because you know what you're getting there. you wouldn't expect halal/kosher meat other than in places advertising as being halal/kosher.

it's probably true that the daily mail is being hypocritical, but it's a legitimate news story. it will be interesting to see if (say) the guardian follows it up. as one of those dreadful secularists i don't see why not.

No, really - because all the restaurants and takeaways using Halal generally advertise - if you can be bothered to look for the little sign, you'll find it, just as you would find 'Kosher for Passover' or pareve signs in a deli. The parallel that I was trying to draw is that nobody would have issues with being slipped a little something Kosher, unadvertised. I don't really have any problem with Halal or Kosher butchery that I don't also have with other forms of the mass abattoir, so to dress Halal practices up as *special* cruelty is a bit disingenuous.

i agree that the way 'we' treat chickens etc is already fucked up. but we shouldn't be going further in that direction!

We should at least baptise those chickens first.

No, really - because all the restaurants and takeaways using Halal generally advertise - if you can be bothered to look for the little sign, you'll find it

Apart from all the places interviewed by the Mail which say they don't, you mean?

tbh, I'm quite surprised by this, is halal chicken really cheap?
Honest question, because it isn't particularly cheap in halal butchers around our way.

It did say in the article that one of the sellers (Whitbread?) sourced most of its chicken from Turkey, presumably for economic reasons, so it just happens to be halal. Your local halal butchers possibly buys from UK producers, hence the difference in cost.

Yeah, I think that's probably right, obviously they're not buying tonnes of the stuff like Whitbread. And some even advertise free range/organic halal. I'm guessing that's not from Turkey. Just the thought of a truck load of cheap chicken, halal or not, makes me want to give up meat tbh.

I don't really have any problem with Halal or Kosher butchery that I don't also have with other forms of the mass abattoir, so to dress Halal practices up as *special* cruelty is a bit disingenuous.

The theory, i thought, was that the use of stunning prior to killing to prevent the animal suffering at point of death is specifically forbidden by halal. However further reading suggests this might be a misconception, and as long as the animal is still alive at the time of slaughter, i.e. the stun does not actually kill the animal, then it's ok. In which case this is just standard daily mail hysteria.

Yeah, that is actually mentioned in the article - The spokesman for the London hospitals added: 'The chicken we use is stunned before it is killed.', which the Mail seems to ignore anyway in the rush to say how offended we all are/should be.

Comments are getting hilariously bad, btw; "I'm not Jewish, but I know a lot of Jewish people and I have NEVER EVER heard them complaining about not getting Kosha meat"

Was trying to think how you might stun a chicken without killing it. Had to check - most common procedure is electrocution in a water bath.

Tell them you're about to slit their throats imo

tell them that linda mccartney thought tofu was an acceptable substitute

Tell them the sky is falling

One of the comments is from "norman, newcastle" apparently (facepalm.gif)

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the comment pash talks about is the 2nd best rated comment 3084 people gave it a green thumbs up

I think some Muslims are concerned about bruising/hemorrhage during the stunning or bolting, which would apparently make the meat unfit.

Can any Americans tell us whether they get similar worries from the press regarding kosher foods, which are killed in a similar manner? Like, are right-wingers complaining about Americans having kosher hot dogs foisted upon them unawares at Yankee Stadium?

I think some Muslims are concerned about bruising/hemorrhage during the stunning or bolting, which would apparently make the meat unfit.

Which I guess is why electrocution might be used in halal poultry slaughter, but not captive bolt guns on cattle.

I reckon whacking a chicken on the head would stun it and no-one eats a chicken head, bruised or otherwise. Or does like any bruise anywhere make the meat unfit? If so, how do they know an animal hasn't accidentally whacked its leg on a fence post the day before slaughter?

I've eaten the comb off a chicken's head. Deep fried. Not worth the effort, but nicer than chicken's feet.

Better boycott all New Zealand lamb as the entire industry there is slaughtered in accordance with Halal principles and has been for decades - hope that's not put you off your "traditional Sunday roast".

Wow, this turns out to be (nearly) true. I did not know that. Also stunning is standard in NZ. It's confusing.

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Checking out just the worst rated comments on DM stories is a good way to remain sane.

Onimo, I think that hitting a chicken on the head is likely to result in death and killing with blunt instruments is explicitly nixed by the Koran:

Forbidden for you are carrion, and blood, and flesh of swine, and that which has been slaughtered while proclaiming the name of any other than God, and one killed by strangling, and one killed with blunt weapons, and one which died by falling, and that which was gored by the horns of some animal, and one eaten by a wild beast, except those whom you slaughter; and that which is slaughtered at the altar and that which is distributed by the throwing of arrows [for an omen]; this is an act of sin.

what's the dilly with NZ? not a large muslim population iirc

big export country, maybe just don't want to cut potential markets?

That would be the reason I imagine