WTF?: "Seinfeld"'s Michael 'Kramer' Richards in Weird-o-Rama Onstage Meltdown

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It's relevant to my point, Alex, since it unwittingly proves that racist/non-racist is not a cut-and-dry dichotomy.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

he reacted like that=he saw black faces and flipped out! come on! I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

Where are you getting this information? Or are you just assuming this and deciding to go with it?
Yeh, like I said above -- there's no information either way. I'm assuming it because the reaction makes it seem like that was the case. Why else bring the race into it (unless you're a moronic racist)?

― stet (stet), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

to me it was the that was uncalled for part that was most offensive of all - but is anyone complaining abt that, no!

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe I'm just an idiot, but I still can't figure out what the hell "hanging upside-down with a fork up your ass" is supposed to mean. Doesn't sound like any lynching I've ever seen... (lol south)

― Good-Time Slim, Uncle Doobie, and the Great 'Frisco Freak-Out (sixteen sergeants, Monday, 20 November 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

there's nothing more charming than the English pretending to be better than anyone else wrt racism.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

"It's relevant to my point, Alex, since it unwittingly proves that racist/non-racist is not a cut-and-dry dichotomy."

Who the fuck is arguing it isn't?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

I mean seriously: the guy's a professional comedian, who talks on stage for a living. Is this the first time a black man has heckled him? Do you think he barely keeps the bubbling racism under control, but this one time all of a sudden the dark skin made it leap out?

Why do you think he did it? What makes it plausible?

― stet (stet), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

WHO CARES

― parsley, sage francis, rosemary, and thyme (dubplatestyle), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

ps calling a white guy a cracker is not equivalent to calling a black guy a nigger

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

He didn't threaten to lynch the guy. He screamed out that fifty years ago blacks were getting lynched.

Not to mention that while the first part is technically correct, the second part rather explicitly isn't. He didn't merely reference lynching, he rather specifically used the word "we," the construction was very conspiratorial, like he expected the audience to agree with him.

xpost Alex, jaymc is kind of having his own private thread as established earlier. Also the fork thing is OTM, what a weird thing to say.

― Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

maybe he's done shit like this before?

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

the pathology of the guy on the bus the other night who called the driver a slew of racial epithets when he missed his stop didn't keep me up at night either

― parsley, sage francis, rosemary, and thyme (dubplatestyle), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

WHO CARES
Sorry, right, string him up.

― stet (stet), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

yeah the essence of his line was, "you're just lucky it's not fifty years ago".

― gear (gear), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

ps calling a white guy a cracker is not equivalent to calling a black guy a nigger

Is there some reason that cracker is not a racist term in your mind?

― Bobby Ganush (Uri Frendimein), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

the construction was very conspiratorial, like he expected the audience to agree with him.
That's a good point.

― stet (stet), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

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― anticon jemima (ooo), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

The history of race relations in America makes cracker not nearly as powerful as nigger.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

See, he could have parlayed the heckle into an unfunny racial stereotype joke like "Black people be talking in theaters!" and it would have gone over to riotous laughter.

― elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

But, that doesn't stop him from making chicken jokes while he watches a video of James Brown sweating his ass off.

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

Who the fuck is arguing it isn't?

Nobody explicitly, but the general tone of the thread implied it.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

5. since the heckler was black, "omg, it's a big racial crime against me, kramer, you can make fun of me, but YOU'RE A NIGGER, i can't say that even if i wanted to! see??" richards MADE the situation racially charged by seeing the exchange racially and reacting like he'd been victimized racially, somehow. the black heckler didn't make it so by being black, or by heckling.

OTM.

― M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

you guys, stet views all references to history and/or reality as quaint Americanisms.

i.e. context only matters wrt what the black dudes in the audience said, not, you know, America 1600-2006.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

ignore filter plz

― anticon jemima (ooo), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

Why on earth are you so interested in defending a dude who screams out about lynching and repeats the word "nigger" over and over again on stage, causing the entire audience to walk out? Again, I'm going to ask you: please explain to me what in the world some heckler said that would make that kind of tirade understandible? This is what I'm not getting. Some of the points you or jaymc have made might be good in a totally different discussion, not in one which you have a comedian known to be a complete asshole losing his marbles on stage and screaming racial epithets at the crowd.

― Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

The history of race relations in America makes cracker not nearly as powerful as nigger.

I guess that's why everybody calls each other nigga as a term of endearment and nobody calls each other cracker.

― Bobby Ganush (Uri Frendimein), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

calling someone a cracker is just salty talk.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.alabama-florida-league.com/nafl_-_special_collections_-_murphy/Bob%20Murphy%20Atlanta%20Crackers%201942%20edited.jpg

ppl seriously need to stop acting like 'cracker' is a deeply offensive, hurtful term. they also need to stop acting like 'the abuses of political correctness' are far worse than centuries of slavery, lynching, rape and institutionalized bigotry, that the white man's suffered as much as the black man now cuz he has to be more creative about how he hates. also seriously seriously seriously folx: stop responding to racist trolls like nude spock, stet. and seriously seriously jaymc: stop doing nude spock's spin doctor work.

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

Fuck, I was coming to drop freemasonry jpegs

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

some ilxor is gonna get mad rich one day writing a book on the pathology of longtime message board users

― parsley, sage francis, rosemary, and thyme (dubplatestyle), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

people call each other crackers all the freaking time.

― Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

Plus, the way I've heard "cracker" used usually refers to racist white people - it's a word of scorn for a subset of white people - turning racism on the racists.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

and ppl call each other crackers all the time. maybe not in dry cleaning joints in new jersey.

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, it's so freaking common I've in fact never heard it in NYC.

― Bobby Ganush (Uri Frendimein), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beVAd_jmovE

― dommy p is alright WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE (Dom, Monday, 20 November 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

Dude, Blount, don't align me with Nude Spock -- we're saying completely different things.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

jaymc: characterizing a situation is not the same as upholding a binary opposition! I know you must understand this, because you've described things before.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

blount you ever seen the crackers HISTORICAL SITE plaque behind the whole foods on ponce??? for real, its like under a magnolia tree next to a loading dock - i only found it while dumpster diving!!

― anticon jemima (ooo), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

I've seen white kids calling each other nigga every day for the last 7 years, but I've never once seen a black man call another black man cracker.

― Bobby Ganush (Uri Frendimein), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

People call each other cracker all the time? I'm old and out of it.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

I am going to start tearing my hair out. fucking high-speed internet connection.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

some ilxor is gonna get mad rich one day writing a book on the pathology of longtime message board users

That's like expecting Gilligan to some day make it off the island.

― Beth S. (Ex Leon), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

ts: the white guy voice eddie murphy did in standup vs. birth of a nation vs. protocols of the elders of zion

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

but I've come to understand that somehow we're able to intuit motivations simply from behavior.

WTF. Now I want to shake you. How else do we intuit motivations? I'm not saying behavior and motivation are always inexorably linked, but are you suggesting that they never are? If someone in a car yells "N*gger!" at a black pedestrian, should we not intuit motivation from that behavior? And if we shouldn't, doesn't that suggest that we as a society should excuse harmful behavior if we aren't sure what motivated it?

horseshoe, you are not taking crazy pills. I have otmmed you about 50 times but there were so many xposts in between that what I was otmming got lost in the shuffle.

― Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

I've seen white kids calling each other nigga every day for the last 7 years

You've only been in the klan 7 years?

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

I've seen white kids calling each other nigga every day for the last 7 years, but I've never once seen a black man call another black man cracker.

OK that's actually pretty funny. That being said, I have A) seen this B) heard a hilarious story about a woman calling two Asian friends of mine "crackers" at a nail salon.

― Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

"I've seen white kids calling each other nigga every day for the last 7 years, but I've never once seen a black man call another black man cracker."

?!?!

The stupidity on this thread is seriously mind-boggling.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

nude spock you are making doom patrol roll over in his grave

― parsley, sage francis, rosemary, and thyme (dubplatestyle), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

OK, it matters whose mouth is saying what to whom. White "wiggas" using the word amongst each other is different than blacks using it and most especially different than a white dude using it for a black dude while evoking the history of lynching.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

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