Let's talk about Vice Magazine

i'm thinking he's been farming out posts

but regardless, he/they does seem burnt out. how many ironic pieces can one man write about the legacy of chillwave, or misogynistic-shaded fish-in-barrel shots at pop culture?

maybe hell wake up one day and be all shit man im done with this

or hell keep going until the ad money runs out, which may be never

i appreciate the comedic idiom that he invented, but he seems to have fallen into a trap of his own making. thinking that success has its burdens

I hardly read the site, but it really does seem a dire churn to the bottom. Then deeper.

i dunno that i could ever accuse him of not being committed to his material/approach, tho

i remember something possibly apocryphally attributed to david letterman to the effect of, if you repeat something enough times, it becomes funny, which philosophy carles seems to have taken to heart. i mean even his most taste-free seemingly mean-spirited jokes about whatever indie rock couple du jour or lol tween slutwave facebook internet blah blah blah is somehow funny when he's driven it into the ground circa the millionth blogpost on the subject

granted i only post to ilx for the money, so i guess it's kinda shitty of me to point fingers

gotta give it to him, his is one of the only indie blogs ppl even bother to talk abt anymore

arthur still exists?

― markers, Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:49 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

it still tweets

― ice cr?m, Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:49 PM

lol @ modern lyfe

indeed

love the broken momus 2006 pic up top. RIP old NYILX

i read the Brightblack piece in Arthur. it made me want to vomit, but then Thurston was there to guide me through underground record stuff, and i was kind of into it. only like one of the bands ever made it anywhere, some of the rest of them still exist in obscurity, from my memory.

um, i just watched the Liberia video they did. what.

vice did. ugh, sorry.

and can we - at some point - stop pretending that new york has anything to do with the rest of the u.s. except in a sort of geological time lag sense. (and somehow i dont think gay clubs in the meat packing district will be one of its great cultural exports to the heartlands in 10-20 years.)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 14 October 2002 01:36 (8 years ago)

Wondering if this prediction still seems as correct. I would say less so.

table - I remember the Brightblack Arthur piece! did you read the hagiographic epic interview with Joanna Newsom?

are we talking about Arthur Magazine in the Let's talk about Vice Magazine thread?

not in a thread-police way but in a general "i'm confused" way here

The travel docs seem to be partyly good and partly o_0

the Liberia one was horribly exploitative and after CNN picked it up the country's economy suffered as a result

i could see that happening. i was more like o_0 at the insane poverty. it reminded me of the article in Harper's a few years back about the slum where Slumdog Millionaire was to have taken place, and even the people depicted in that article seemed better off.

travel docs sound like theyre more about SHOCKIN U than adequate journalism

OTM which has its own place, the problem is CNN picked them up and ran them as adequate journalism

Vice in low journalistic standards shocker

isn't your brother the Arthur Magazine guy, or am i misremembering?

The one on NK had all the standard commentary on NK, which is pretty much all you can expect since everyone who goes there gets the same stage-managed tour. But then there were a couple of really great moments, like the tour guide focusing on how Kim Jong-Il invented the adjustable desk, and the part where the Vice guy sings Anarchy in the UK drunk on the karaoke machine -- about as close to a "safe" subversive thing as you could to on a guided tour of North Korea.

The one about, um, Baluchistan? was pretty awesome -- the mountainous outlaw region in/near pakistan. The bootleg gunmaking industry there is just incredible.

isn't your brother the Arthur Magazine guy

yep. he posts here sometimes.

travel docs sound like theyre more about SHOCKIN U than adequate journalism
--lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej)

Otm

Vice goes to the SOFEX show:

http://www.mtv.com/videos/the-vice-guide-to-everything-ep-4-the-business-of-war-sakawa-boys-bulletproof-tailor-norwegian-black-metal/1654484/playlist.jhtml

Vice magazine is now sending out e-mails consisting of nothing but viral internet meme videos on Youtube, like the Kersall Massive and dumb shit like that. Are they going to reinvent themselves as a slightly less right-wing B3ta or something?
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, July 6, 2006 12:10 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark

??

Vice, the media empire (supposedly).

hope that story makes it into the last season of Entourage

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltot83xQht1qzikspo1_500.jpg

What's with the thick stroke did somebody trace Beavis & Butthead in AI or something?

funny bit in the doc abt the NYT where their reporter is interviewing the vice guys and takes a timeout to pwn them when one makes some crack abt his paper.

^Yeah that was fuckin awesome

youtube pls

lol just watched that doc a few hours ago and that moment was awesome

the Vice guy was all "I'm not a journalist I'm just a guy and I went there and saw shit on a beach and cannibalism" and the NYT dude looked like he wanted to shout, "you're right, you're not a fucking journalist you asshole"

heh i live with a writer for french vice now. she's lovely

pixx

i believe you can find pixx of me in wdyll threads passim

What doc is this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLct9jNrFuo

ilx poster max appears in it (sort of)

it was david carr, and i don't remember the vice guys making any cracks! carr was going to interview them and they were talking about going to liberia and seeing all kinds of fucked up shit. he got pissy and said the times had people there first. there are lots of scenes in that movie of david carr getting irrationally pissy, actually, if you're into that.

Real ILX litmus test if you side with Vice or Carr on that one

iirc Carr wasn't claiming firsties, Vice was OMG BRAGGING that they cover real world ish that the Times doesnt and Carr schooled them

i'd probably side with vice on this one.

they seemed pretty chilled out about the whole thing. they probably never read any of the times coverage of liberia and most people that were impressed by vice in liberia have never read any coverage of liberia in the times and, hey, i've never read any coverage of liberia in the times.

this is being unfair to david carr, who i'm cool with and despite being pissy all the time makes good points. but, come on, man... they went to liberia, chill out.

they made a crack abt the nyt and they were totally shook by carr putting them in their place

the NYT dude looked like he wanted to shout, "you're right, you're not a fucking journalist you asshole"

― encarta it (Gukbe), Thursday, 27 October 2011 02:24 (8 hours ago) Bookmark

he actually does shout "obviously" at that point iirc

DAVID CARR: If you're a CNN viewer, and you go, "Hmmm. I'm looking at human shit on the beach ..."

SHANE SMITH OF VICE: Well, I've got to tell you one thing: I'm a regular guy and I go to
these places and I go, "Okay, everyone talked to me about cannibalism, right?
Everyone talked about cannibalism." Now I'm getting a lot of shit for talking
about cannibalism. Whatever. Everyone talked to me about cannibalism! ...
That's fucking crazy! So the actual — our audience goes, "That's fucking
insane, like, that's nuts!" And the New York Times, meanwhile, is writing about
surfing, and I'm sitting there going like, "You know what? I'm not going to
talk about surfing, I'm going to talk about cannibalism, because that fucks
me up."

CARR: Just a sec, time out. Before you ever went there, we've had reporters there reporting on genocide after genocide. Just because you put on a fucking safari helmet and looked at some poop doesn't give you the right to insult what we do. So continue.

i wonder if carr's past life falling apart due to cocaine addiction figured in that dynamic, where the vice guys seemed so spineless and belatedly respectful, or if they're just like little kids generally