Inception (with implanted spoilers)

i remember reading that Kubrick originally wanted Steve Martin. not sure if that's true!

no, xxxpost, i wouldn't care about it not being 'deep' or whatever if it had been an enjoyable action film but it was actually really fucking boring

I'll agree that Nolan doesn't have the chops to explore the deeper themes that someone like, say, Malick might be able to do when dealing with dream invasions. But then again I don't think Malick has the chops to make a thrilling and tight heist-action-thriller. I'm glad Nolan didn't stretch himself to attempt anything profound. If people want to parse the philosophical underpinnings of the idea, they can, but it would have killed the entertainment and so I'm glad they're never really front and center.

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of course if you found it dull than that's fair enough

it might have been more interesting if the subconscious constructs becoming aware of the intruders and attacking them morphed into something unspeakable rather then sprouting guns, and it would have also been cool to see Ariadne freak out and start world-building on the fly in a similar vein to what JGL's character did in the stairwell, but on a larger scale, but those are relatively small quibbles.

Pls remake Inception, HI DERE. This is exactly what the first half hour made me think was going to happen.

please can we drop the idea that Kubrick didn't care about emotions. it's insanely reductive.

I've heard this counter-argument before, and I'm always wary of received wisdom, but I've honestly never seen any evidence that he did care. Maybe Paths of Glory but nothing after that.

i found the parallel action scenes at the end pretty compelling and totally interesting for how they worked within the structure of the film as much as for how they were stylistically executed.

if the subconscious constructs becoming aware of the intruders and attacking them morphed into something unspeakable

so glad they didn't

you know it would have been just some swirly CGI bullshit right?

Not if it was done right. A bit of Lynchian creepiness >>>>>>> anonymous guys with guns.

as far as i am aware all of Kubrick's movies contain people! just because a persistent theme is dehumanization, through cosmic or social means, then it doesn't mean emotions aren't there

hey guys I heard a rumor that Inception had actual humans in it

could have been something really freaky and dreamlike, like everybody gets up and tries to gently headbutt the intruders in complete silence, or just starts wailing and crying like children, or something.

xp see? dorianlynskey otm

Pls remake Inception, HI DERE. This is exactly what the first half hour made me think was going to happen.

I get why it didn't happen, though, In the former case, the subconscious constructs seem to be working in the framework of the Architect's pattern, so their rejection mechanism manifests itself as something compatible with the Architect's plan. In the second case, the plot pretty thoroughly beats the impulse to world-build on the fly out of Ariadne by have Mal disembowel her, so it makes sense to me that she as a novice would avoid trying to do anything that would bring that type of attention back to her, particularly since dying would drop her into Limbo rather than waking her up, plus JGL's character is much more experienced at dreamworld manipulation and was only making a localized change noticeable by one construct that was already attempting to kill him; his world-changing exercises didn't matter since the constructs were already trying to kill him, and the change he made was small/localized enough that he likely didn't make any more of an impression than he already had.

The constructs would have been more menacing had they killed people without guns, like by literally tearing them apart or clubbing them to death or what have you; I was hoping that that is what would happen in the hotel.

i have no desire to see what JGL's insides look like

They didn't really need to make it a zombie movie but that would have been kind of cool.

I just think the visual moves that Nolan did make - that waterfall effect at the climax when Leo decides to go into limbo, loved that whole scene - had a lot more impact because of the restraint he showed otherwise.

xp to dorian

still say my fav shot was the railroad tracks one

xpost. I see your point. It's hard to say Nolan should have done x or y. I just wanted it to be somehow stranger and more disorientating, and there are countless ways he could have done that but I just don't think he has that kind of brain.

One of the reason everyone loved Ledger's Joker, I think, he really creeped up / weirded out Nolan's super-controlled vision.

tbh I loved Marion Cotillard for similar reasons

I dunno that Nolan didn't intend that, though, he pretty much admitted that one of the big influences on Dark Knight was "The Killing Joke" graphic novel, which features a very similar Joker - darker, attempting to use crime to make sociological points, ends on an ambiguous note, et al....

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How you guys rate this movie against Dark City?

im not sure i can explain it exactly, but nolan just seems like someone whos really anal, hence the nerdy narrative splice and dice in memento, how nothing is left unexplained in inception, and how dicaprio said he doesnt usually like this type of film but nolan makes it seem more like real life (ie more prosaic looking). he seems intent on making sure nothing really foxes anyone.

(obv i know inception has foxed lots of people, but the foxing there also seems really anal-nerdy)

How you guys rate this movie against Dark City?

Early days yet but...it's not quite apples and oranges (Nolan has admitted a debt) but there's enough of a difference between the films and their respective styles that I didn't immediately group them together. Might have to rewatch Dark City to see what comes to mind in light of Inception.

One of the reason everyone loved Ledger's Joker, I think, he really creeped up / weirded out Nolan's super-controlled vision.

this guy makes a similar argument.

That blog linked to a blog which pretty much summed up a huge chunk of my disappointment with this movie:

For the love of god, just for ONCE, please, could we have a work of speculative fiction which did not rely on a FRIDGED WAG to provide the MANPAIN to drive the lead character's emotional development or lack of it.

It's just become really, really tiresome as a meme.

Other than that, I don't have anything new to say. Brilliant concept, disappointing execution. Lucid dreaming and the idea of shared dreamspace is such an intriguing idea and could have provided a really imaginative concept for a film - but this isn't that film. It didn't even really work as a shoot em up fight em bite em action adventure (apart from the Zero Gravity fight sequence which was pretty cool) - and I could really have done without Dream Level 3 - honestly. A bunch of good guys in white suits fighting a bunch of bad guys in white suits rolling around in white snow - yeah, that's gonna work really well when you can't even tell who's who. Bah.

Just disappointing. And frustrating how much else could have been done with some of the concepts raised in the film. And enough with the Fridged Girlfriend Manpain syndrome already.

, or just starts wailing and crying like children, or something.

"his subconscious has been infantilized"

Fridged? Frigid or something else?

It's just become really, really tiresome as a meme.

or as tiresome as the time it took to figure out what the hell you were talking about in half of your sentences.

Fridged.

Sorry, it's a term from comic fandom - I think it started with the Green Lantern. Describes where the writers brutally kill off the protagonist's wife or girlfriend in order to provide MANPAIN. In Green Lantern, I think the girlfriend was actually killed and put in a fridge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Refrigerators

There's a link in that blog above to how many dead wives and girlfriends Nolan has left trailed across his films.

Rewatched Dark City before I saw Inception as all the changing city stuff made me think they'd be very similar. They're really not; in fact DC is a lot closer to the Matrix in terms of plot and ideas.

I misread that as "FRIGID WANG"

which, we will all agree, would also bring the MANPAIN

look at that wiki url and grieve for our culture

ban karen 4 using the word manpain imo

I had no idea about that Green Lantern story or the whole Women in Refrigerators thing; it is probably not at all surprising that this lines up with when I stopped following online comic book fandom

Quite surprised that a bunch of sci fi geeks have never encountered the MANPAIN concept. It's all over fandom. It's totally a thing - and this is such a cliched manpain scenario.

or as tiresome as the time it took to figure out what the hell you were talking about in half of your sentences.

San Te can't read, I'm shocked!

http://www.luminomagazine.com/2004.10/spotlight/nerds/images/ogre/ogre2.jpg

This thread is my manpain.

San Te can't read, I'm shocked!

― christopher dullan (Tape Store), Tuesday, August 17, 2010 3:10 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

o_O i just got zinged by a building that sells obsolete media

Do you have MANPAIN? Take this simple test:

http://pics.livejournal.com/misstopia/pic/003gfsbs

One of the reason everyone loved Ledger's Joker, I think, he really creeped up / weirded out Nolan's super-controlled vision.

Speaking of jokers and Kubrick i think that's the same reason The Shining is so popular - Nicholson just has too much brio, no matter how schematic everything else is. Mamet and Wes Anderson have both leaned on Gene Hackman to provide a similar service in their designed-within-an-inch-of-their-lives movies.

I haven't seen this movie yet but I'm encouraged in that it doesn't appear to include the FRIDGED KIDS (specifically: long, lingering takes of bloody, dead children) that bring Leo's MANPAIN in Shutter Island.

Manpain is a term used by fans, particularly slash fans, encompassing a set of narrative devices that span literature, film and television. When a main character in a story (always male, generally white) is written with a particular kind of psychologically painful history that causes him to behave in specific ways, he is often said to have manpain.

http://fanlore.org/wiki/Manpain

good to know

The kids aren't actually fridged, but they might as well be, from the long lingering takes of them being lost and faceless scattered across his subconscious - actually it'd have been really cool if they turned around and had NO PHACE but that'd just be a Boards of Canada album cover or something.

Tracer, Inception is worth watching once just don't read anything written about it ever, and definitely don't write about it yourself (classic rookie mistake)

but dude it was

just explained

like 3 posts ago xxp

it'd have been really cool if they turned around and had NO PHACE

kept expecting this tbh