"Hipster" as pejorative.

what the hell is daddy's, is my question

cant believe im a hipster

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this is a pic of me and my friends

It's weird. In the '80s and '90s when I heard the word hipster, I'd think of an older person, like Herbert Huncke or, like, Dr. John. Now I hear the word and I think of a non-preppie, upper middle class, college-educated twentysomething.

i think the connotation of the word has changed throughout the past dozen years or so. circa '98 i remember people using it in general reference to people whose wardrobe obviously came from thrift stores or "vintage" clothing stores and who listened to indie music

over time it seemed to attach itself more to increasingly specific and ever more pejorative cultural tropes-- Vice magazine, American Apparel, Williamsburg, cocaine

has anyone ever heard another human being self-describe themselves as a hipster? i'm sure it happens, but i've never actually heard this with my own ears

i wonder (easily google-able) what year that seinfeld episode is from in which kramer gets castigated as a "hipster doofus"?

i remember someone telling me that stuart murdoch of b&s used the word back in the day in an approving way. in fact, isn't it used on the liner notes of one of their records?

the sad thing to me is that any inspiration from the original liberatory connotations of the word, which i think if one were looking for a lazy example of the latter-day version could maybe be found in someone like ian svenonius, ended up becoming an imprisoning looking-towards-others-to-monitor-perceived-approval-levels kind of thing. that being the case, it's almost unsurprising that "hipster" culture ended up becoming oriented around nihilistic sleaze of dov charney beat-off session approximations (i.e., the noise board circa late '04 (J/K!))

by that i mean it seems a shame that celebrating self-expression in an interesting and light-hearted manner somehow got warped into the polar oppposite-- ever more guarded behavior steeped in swathed of suspicion and dour irony

"swathes" asdf

can't believe u don't own a bike

can't believe max is kanye.

can't believe max is buds with Benny Ninja

i wonder (easily google-able) what year that seinfeld episode is from in which kramer gets castigated as a "hipster doofus"?

1993.

what the hell is daddy's, is my question

I thought you read the Noise Board.

which is the thread thirdalternative is referring to? i remember giving him a lot of shit about daddy's but i dont remember where

fyi to all--daddy's is a "hipster" "bar" in "williamsburg" which is a neighborhood in brooklyn known to be "hip"

"brooklyn"

"2002"

"by that i mean it seems a shame that celebrating self-expression in an interesting and light-hearted manner somehow got warped into the polar oppposite-- ever more guarded behavior steeped in swathed of suspicion and dour irony"

Has it ever really been about self-expression rather than strip-mining/fetishizing the expression of others? "hipster doofus" w.r.t. kramer seems more like abstracting the term to describe a parasite in general.

actually, though, George is a parasite, too. maybe he is absolved from hipsterdoofusdom by having a job?

Has it ever really been about self-expression rather than strip-mining/fetishizing the expression of others? "hipster doofus" w.r.t. kramer seems more like abstracting the term to describe a parasite in general.

technically, everything is parasitism. the self-made men pulling themselves up by famed child molester horatio alger's bootstraps did not invent the tanning process enabling them to work their way up in the world in such rand-ish fashion

but aside from that, i think kramer was labeled "hipster doofus" b/c he wore dated clothing extolled by b. joel in "keeping the faith", etc.

i think originally the term conveyed expressing one's self in contrast to a dominant culture, i.e., african-american guys wearing zoot suits or nineties-era dorky white guys positioning themselves against "jocks" in some sense

Has it ever really been about self-expression rather than strip-mining/fetishizing the expression of others?

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(read as: "no.")

"uniquely American anti-establishmentarian posture known as hip" somehow reminds me of "my lifestyle determines my deathstyle"

is that leland book any good

lol how convenient

http://topics.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/17/everything-old-is-hip-again/

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http://www.hipsterhitler.com/

wow, enough already

congratulations on the new hitler blog whiney

ppl just don't get tired of this topic

― the girl with the butt tattoo (harbl), Tuesday, August 24, 2010 2:16 PM (7 seconds ago)

yes, yes they do

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we do need a druid, and she has cast a level 5 charm spell on me.

^^^^^

lol: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/08/31/steven-crowder-hipsters-al-qaeda-usama-bin-laden-terrorists-consumerism/

“America is an Evil Empire that rapes the earth of its resources, and robs from impoverished countries!”

without even clicking the link I'm admiring that URL, kudos fox

aw, dmr, you're missing this:

If you were to ask the modern hipster, he… I mean she… Sorry, IT is likely under the impression that Usama Bin Laden is wearing skinny jeans in his cave, currently listening to Animal Collective as he throws back cans of Pabst Blue Ribbon. Certainly Al Qaeda shares a common bond with the trust-fund jackass, bobbing his head at the Vampire Weekend concert.

haha yeah I did read it. pretty piss-poor trolling. East Village syringe jokes? Take a shower you dirty hipster?

p sure that whole column has to be a level i mean "other, more productive Americans"?

This is an AWESOME article, from 1957:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,862551,00.html

One line stood out:

To the Soho hipsters who swelter and suffocate for it in the Cat's Whisker, the Côte d'Azur or The Two I's, skiffle is brand-new; to jazz critics and non-skiffling professional musicians, it is old—"a bastardized, commercialized form of the real thing," said one critic, "watered down to suit the sickly orange-juice tastes of musical illiterates."

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,862551,00.html#ixzz0ylHRha45

missed this thread bump the other day but loving

the hipster, often blessed with the luxury of never having had to earn a living in the real world (no, college is not the real world) is permanently perched in the peanut gallery, free to criticize other more productive Americans

from a dude who

first came to public prominence as the voice of Alan "The Brain" Powers on the children's television series Arthur. He has become popular for his weekly political postings on YouTube. His brother, Jordan Crowder, is an independent film director and his mother (Francine Crowder) is a stylist and costume designer in Canadian television.

haha he actually put his mom's job in his bio?!?!

that's taken from a popular online encyclopedia but who's to say he didn't write it

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ugh

we are so fucked

and to think we underestimated the power of crayons all this time

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those are great!

i hope they got a real kid to do the colouring in

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