Inquiry into child abuse at Catholic institutions in Ireland

I don't hink it's off-topic at all- the coverage of this stuff is, if the earlier discussions itt are accurate, at least as comprehensive in teh UK as over here.

I look forward to it. There's a groundswell or a seachange or whatever you want to call it in the general populace'sattitude to the magnitude and obviousness of this behaviour

I doubt there will be a shitstorm, Catholicism counts for fuck all in the UK

I don't think you have to care about Catholicism to get worked up about the visit of a Pontiff that enthusiastically reps for child abusers.

Maybe, but GBP just not interested in the Pope

That's the stage of any relationship where the rejection really starts to sting- maybe he'll be outside Buckingham with a ghetto blaster lashin out the gregorian chants

General attitude will be "None of our business" I reckon

ie protestants

(reading michael palin's biographies atm, got that kind of english middle class protestant outlook ont he brain maybe)

We should be interested, xp, isn't it gonna cost £12m pounds? Instead we'll all get angsty about some council spending a couple of grand on a trip to Blackpool.

Anyway, won't he just be going places he'll be welcome: Glasgow, Liverpool, Manchester, quick trip to London to meet the enemy Queen

Yeah Glasgow's famous for loving the old Popes :/

You could characterise it as a love/hate relationship

This article from last year is great...right from the url
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/09/24/second-coming-115875-21696429/

Those who may voice their objections to Benedict's state visit could include Harry Potter fans, rock fans, Jews, gays...

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interest in gossip > interest in catholicism

newman's beatification won't detract from that

at least half of catholics in scotland come from the glasgow area, the rest of the area hates him but i doubt many will bother to protest

And guess where's he's going first in the UK?

That big airport in Paisley?

fucking really outraged by this

not surprised I guess but - fuckin - you always wish the church would do the right thing for once

Diarmuid Martin, as I said- He's really been tryin over here. This refusal to accept the resignations is a slap on the wrist for him personally, as he had to push very hard to even get that much.

But yeah, it's incredibly hard to read exactly what Benedict thinks he's getting form this move.

Either in real world politics- it's a spurning of an easy out, mitigation, etc

Metaphysical my-rules-are-handed-down-directly-from-god- stfu pope, they didn't help abused kids.

essentially, it's a hell of a senseless 'fuck you' to everyone on the side of ... good?

It is believed that Senior Vatican figures are worried about the possible “domino effect” that could occur from this current set of tendered resignations and this may have influenced the pontiff’s decision.

how in the fuck are you 'concerned' about a 'domino effect' where these fuckers resign? HOW IS THAT FUCKING PROBLEM?

yeah -- what about the "domino effect" of pedophiles recognizing a safe haven for their outrages when they see one? for Christ's sake

they're worried thousands of other ones have to resign all over the world. they dont give a shit about doing the right thing. these men of the cloth have lost their way. Still, they will get judged properly one day if what they believe in actually happens.

The biggest worry Benedict has lately is the insiduous threat of humans with breasts getting their feet in the door of ministering the word of Christ.

Again- this fucking guy.

I mean one of the worst things about being an ex-Catholic is that it's just really really hard to fully wash your hands of the whole deal - if you could just go, OK, you know what, that's an irredeemable snakepit of horror, everybody needs to gtfo now, but there's always this hope of people righting the ship. vain ridiculous hope I think if we're being realistic but you know what the fuck. all those generations of kids fucked up by these people and the best they can do is a vague "the Church grieves for victims but isn't about to actually make anybody bear any consequences, except the children of course, gotta shoulder your burden gracefully"

this fucking Vicar of Christ

well, suffer them, y'know? xp

that's the beauty of the afterlife- what you go through in this world is a downpayment.

they're doing those kids a favour, when you think about it.

any actual practising Catholics posting in the thread or all we all ex-ones doomed?

i beat catholicism before i beat super mario world

I went to mass a few times year before last when I was going through hard times & I have been known to still pray the rosary even though I have no faith to speak of. old habits and comforts die hard & painfully.

man do i hate these fuckers

i can slip into it as needs be, funerals, weddings, christenings, the usual. it's a social necessity that i don't have to rail against or anything. most of our priests have been stand-up guys, tbh.

Nothing wrong with praying, even if it's out of habit as a kid. But i cant say I've ever said the rosary since school.

yes, some priests we've had have been great guys. Im still shocked the one we had in the late 80s was a pedo. Funnily enough my mum didn't like him much, but she had no idea what he had done in the 1970s. It's disgusting he never went to jail.

you can't go to jail for a sin silly- you're thinking of actual crimes. lol.

priests are like celebrities

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"my knob was only resting there"

I mean one of the worst things about being an ex-Catholic is that it's just really really hard to fully wash your hands of the whole deal - if you could just go, OK, you know what, that's an irredeemable snakepit of horror, everybody needs to gtfo now, but there's always this hope of people righting the ship.

a lot of ppl who move to the periphery/outside of the church still feel committed to some dream of how the institution could be even when their whole ideology has been reworked, but catholics in particular seem to be stuck in orbit. ppl like mary grey have some good ideas about the church as a social institution in the community, but their commitment to that gets fudged w/ the appalling attitudes higher up, I would like ppl to assert the independent value of their churches over The Church, but thats prob my non-conformist background

big proposed boycott of mass on sun 26th september in protest of the unacknowledged role of women in the church is making big news over here. could turn into a general protest encompassing sexual abuse and the response to it as well.

i doubt ppl will actually pay heed to this

ppl who go to mass, or ppl who don't?

why does anyone even bother to be Catholic anymore

eh i don't know too many that hit 17 and decided to 'go for it' man?

ppl who go to mass.