"Hipster" as pejorative.

Sorry for the broken link.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=125811666

It sounds like they're blaming both the Hasidic Jews and the hipsters.

SMITHZ; Now, this isn't the case for the whole neighborhood. If you walk toward the new glass condo buildings, you'll find that participation in the census takes off. In the other direction, return rates plunge. And you can't blame it all on the cool kids. This is the Hasidic part of Williamsburg, where the Satmar Orthodox Jews live. Only one quarter of households here so far have participated. Not only are they reluctant to fill out the census, they don't even want to talk about it.

From the Vice magazine thread

the sleazy narcissist hard partying vice types kinda bum me out

― ('_') (omar little), Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:47 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

It's times like these that remind of why I want all hipster cokeheads to die of overdoses.

― Jaw dropping, thong dropping monster (kingfish), Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:34 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

FYI, when sarahel and I talk about the "hipster scale" this is exactly what we mean.

That these people are higher on the scale than you, so you are suspicious and derisive to them and call them "hipsters." Meanwhile most of the people who post on ILX are higher on the scale that, say, someone who posts on a backyard wrestling forum. They would probably say similar things about YOU and call you a hipster!

uh except that people dont exist on scales and there are as many criteria for what goes one that scale and what order it goes in as ppl on it and so it is pretty incoherent as an idea srsly

...and hope YOU die of a tea overdose.

xpost

keeping it positive 2010

\(^o^)/

Meanwhile most of the people who post on ILX are higher on the scale that, say, someone who posts on a backyard wrestling forum.

if only Dom was alive to defend himself etc

fyi i covered this all already:

people write articles about "hipsters" but they have different definitions of "hipster" than other people

oftentimes this has to do with the audience, the location, and the writer

some people on this board even have a different definition of "hipster" than other people

― max, Tuesday, July 6, 2010 5:04 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

sorry i said "hipster" there

That these people are higher on the scale than you, so you are suspicious and derisive to them and call them "hipsters."

i think you're mistaking "amused" for "suspicious." hardly going to argue "derisive" however.

It's weird. In the '80s and '90s when I heard the word hipster, I'd think of an older person, like Herbert Huncke or, like, Dr. John. Now I hear the word and I think of a non-preppie, upper middle class, college-educated twentysomething.

I bet max is a hipster. Anyone who gets so worked up over Daddy's has to be.

does anyone think max is not a hipster?

daddy's?

he has a mustache ffs

am i a hipster???

i:

• live in brooklyn
• blog, professionally
• wear "skinny jeans"
• own a pair of ray-ban wayfarer sunglasses
• have a BEARD
• went to a private liberal arts college
• listen to music made by "underground" and "independent" artists

• own a bike
• make arts
• can things at home
• do coke
• often
• wear brightly-colored things
• read vice magazine on the regular

oh wait i forgot

i:

• get worked up over daddys

all the fun things r in the 2nd list btw

everyone who wears skinny jeans is a hipster, no exceptions

sorry max ;_;

what the hell is daddy's, is my question

cant believe im a hipster

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b102/alexa4573/kanyewestentourage1.jpg

this is a pic of me and my friends

It's weird. In the '80s and '90s when I heard the word hipster, I'd think of an older person, like Herbert Huncke or, like, Dr. John. Now I hear the word and I think of a non-preppie, upper middle class, college-educated twentysomething.

i think the connotation of the word has changed throughout the past dozen years or so. circa '98 i remember people using it in general reference to people whose wardrobe obviously came from thrift stores or "vintage" clothing stores and who listened to indie music

over time it seemed to attach itself more to increasingly specific and ever more pejorative cultural tropes-- Vice magazine, American Apparel, Williamsburg, cocaine

has anyone ever heard another human being self-describe themselves as a hipster? i'm sure it happens, but i've never actually heard this with my own ears

i wonder (easily google-able) what year that seinfeld episode is from in which kramer gets castigated as a "hipster doofus"?

i remember someone telling me that stuart murdoch of b&s used the word back in the day in an approving way. in fact, isn't it used on the liner notes of one of their records?

the sad thing to me is that any inspiration from the original liberatory connotations of the word, which i think if one were looking for a lazy example of the latter-day version could maybe be found in someone like ian svenonius, ended up becoming an imprisoning looking-towards-others-to-monitor-perceived-approval-levels kind of thing. that being the case, it's almost unsurprising that "hipster" culture ended up becoming oriented around nihilistic sleaze of dov charney beat-off session approximations (i.e., the noise board circa late '04 (J/K!))

by that i mean it seems a shame that celebrating self-expression in an interesting and light-hearted manner somehow got warped into the polar oppposite-- ever more guarded behavior steeped in swathed of suspicion and dour irony

"swathes" asdf

can't believe u don't own a bike

can't believe max is kanye.

can't believe max is buds with Benny Ninja

i wonder (easily google-able) what year that seinfeld episode is from in which kramer gets castigated as a "hipster doofus"?

1993.

what the hell is daddy's, is my question

I thought you read the Noise Board.

which is the thread thirdalternative is referring to? i remember giving him a lot of shit about daddy's but i dont remember where

fyi to all--daddy's is a "hipster" "bar" in "williamsburg" which is a neighborhood in brooklyn known to be "hip"

"brooklyn"

"2002"

"by that i mean it seems a shame that celebrating self-expression in an interesting and light-hearted manner somehow got warped into the polar oppposite-- ever more guarded behavior steeped in swathed of suspicion and dour irony"

Has it ever really been about self-expression rather than strip-mining/fetishizing the expression of others? "hipster doofus" w.r.t. kramer seems more like abstracting the term to describe a parasite in general.

actually, though, George is a parasite, too. maybe he is absolved from hipsterdoofusdom by having a job?

Has it ever really been about self-expression rather than strip-mining/fetishizing the expression of others? "hipster doofus" w.r.t. kramer seems more like abstracting the term to describe a parasite in general.

technically, everything is parasitism. the self-made men pulling themselves up by famed child molester horatio alger's bootstraps did not invent the tanning process enabling them to work their way up in the world in such rand-ish fashion

but aside from that, i think kramer was labeled "hipster doofus" b/c he wore dated clothing extolled by b. joel in "keeping the faith", etc.

i think originally the term conveyed expressing one's self in contrast to a dominant culture, i.e., african-american guys wearing zoot suits or nineties-era dorky white guys positioning themselves against "jocks" in some sense

Has it ever really been about self-expression rather than strip-mining/fetishizing the expression of others?

http://www.harpercollins.com/harperimages/isbn/large/8/9780060528188.jpg

(read as: "no.")

"uniquely American anti-establishmentarian posture known as hip" somehow reminds me of "my lifestyle determines my deathstyle"

is that leland book any good

lol how convenient

http://topics.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/17/everything-old-is-hip-again/

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http://www.hipsterhitler.com/

wow, enough already

congratulations on the new hitler blog whiney

ppl just don't get tired of this topic

― the girl with the butt tattoo (harbl), Tuesday, August 24, 2010 2:16 PM (7 seconds ago)

yes, yes they do

http://i34.tinypic.com/ev5mic.jpg

we do need a druid, and she has cast a level 5 charm spell on me.

^^^^^