ILX TOP 50 FILMS OF 2000-2004 BALLOTS/VOTING

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Mean Girls I think was trying too much, I think. It felt like a more politically correct version of Saved!.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 21:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I didn't like Saved or Mean Girls that much. They both went for a weird place where they tried to be subversive, but also completely mainstream and lived up to genre conventions. The comedy was never biting enough and the endings blah.

I prefer something like Election or Can't Hardly Wait (or 10 Things I Hate About You or the ballet movie with the girl from 10 Things or...) that stick with one direction.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

saved is fucking awful ethan! i can't believe you liked that shit, dorky smug blue state 'xians aren't real xians', they totally wasted mandy moore (she was funnier in the same role on entourage), ugh ugh ugh, that thing only showed in athens cuz of stipe. seriously i still got some residual love for early hal hartley, but if you see martin donovan run the other way.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:01 (eighteen years ago) link

ooh 10 things was pretty good

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I might've actually liked Donnie Darko if it hadn't all the sci-fi bullshit. Great athmosphere and acting ruined by fanboy geekery.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:01 (eighteen years ago) link

i didnt realize yall just meant 00s - havent even read the first 2/3rds of this thread!! anyway american pie was 2001 (saw it 3 times at beechwood) so thatd be my "token" pick, with additional props to loser and, i dunno, jeepers creepers? final destination?

― zzzzzzzz, Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:02 (eighteen years ago) link

haha blount i thought saved was really funny, it didnt seem smug when i saw it w/ a teen movie audience & lots of the jokes were only funny if you grew up thick with evangelicals

― zzzzzzzz, Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:03 (eighteen years ago) link

teen movie audience = teens

― zzzzzzzz, Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I think American Pie was in the 1990s.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:04 (eighteen years ago) link

anyway isnt maryland only a blue state cuz of bmore? it aint massachussets dude

― zzzzzz, Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Faculty was '98 and American Pie 1 was '99.

(x-post)

― Chairman Doinel (Charles McCain), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:05 (eighteen years ago) link

tuomas i said ap2, ap1 was 99 ap2 was 01 ap3 was 03 (it was aight)

― zzzzzz, Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:05 (eighteen years ago) link

final destination has a special place in my heart for seeming DePalma-esque rather than Hitchcock-esque

― 'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:05 (eighteen years ago) link

My token teen pick would be "Napoleon Dynamite" but I know that gets no love around here.

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:05 (eighteen years ago) link

hahaha oh wait i didnt say ap2 oops! i didnt see ap1 til we rented the video in 2000 anyway

― zzzzzzz, Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:06 (eighteen years ago) link

and cmon election's not a teenflick really (it's about matthew broderick more than anyone else) and legally blonde's not a teenflick at all - she's in law school for christs sake!

american pie is totally 90s cuz i remember this girl in that catpower ripoff band that hasn't spoken to me this decade cuz i once suggested maybe she should pursue other interests besides music once told me when road trip was shooting on campus that she saw stifler on campus. the sequels are this decade though.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:07 (eighteen years ago) link

debates with friends like the ones I had after Darko and Mulholland. Those two and Ghost World told me I needed to avoid the youth-oriented arthouse

Are you talking about a specific arthouse? Cuz I don't see any of those films as pitched at an age group, certainly not GW or MD esp (in fact, I think they're all better apprec'd by over-30s).

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:07 (eighteen years ago) link

haha in state college, pa they all play at the kern graduate student center.

― 'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:08 (eighteen years ago) link

The one thing I didn't like about Saved! that even with it's supposed subversiness the girl had to keep her baby - though I guess it fitted with the character, her being a devout Christian and all. Anyway, it seems like every time in an American mainstream movie someone wants to get an abortion, she either A) changes her mind at the last moment, or B) her life is ruined and she can't forget what she did even 10 years after. Has there ever been a movie whereone someone gets an abortion, griefs for a time, and gets over it?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:08 (eighteen years ago) link

anyway isnt maryland only a blue state cuz of bmore? it aint massachussets dude

maryland is a blue state cuz lots of black people live in it.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Final Destination 2 had better death scenes than FD1. The last one is classic.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:09 (eighteen years ago) link

guess I gotta rent that!

― 'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Ghost World was (lightly) pitched to high school weirdoes (ala Rushmore & Nap Dynamite).

― Chairman Doinel (Charles McCain), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:10 (eighteen years ago) link

and cuz Bill Clinton turned Northeast Corridor suburbans into democrats

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link

"Has there ever been a movie whereone someone gets an abortion, griefs for a time, and gets over it?"

Fast Times At Ridgemont High?

― Chairman Doinel (Charles McCain), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:12 (eighteen years ago) link

ghost world's pitched at pervy old white dudes, made by pervy old white dudes - it's like fubu for whie people!

i totally would've voted for the first final destination but the experience of seeing the second one is one of the more disturbing experiences of my life (i think i've told this story before). stoked for the 3rd! death u so crafty!

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Still can't ride in an elevator, can you?

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link

renting this tomorrow

― 'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:15 (eighteen years ago) link

the voice had a thing about how almost noone has abortions in pop culture anymore (bigups to claire on six feet under!), how at most the more transgressive shows might go as far as show someone considering it but then breaking down and going 'i can't do it - i've made up my mind! i'm keeping my baby!', i got kinda annoyed when nip/tuck pulled this shit the other night (although i was kinda amused they had her schedule her abortion for xmas eve, at night no less - yeah, that's plausible).

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:16 (eighteen years ago) link

WHAT IF MARY

― 'Twan (miccio), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:17 (eighteen years ago) link

milo my disturbing experience had little to do with the movie (though it sure didn't help) and more to do with the surroundings.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:17 (eighteen years ago) link

i didn't bring money today : (

― gear (gear), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:52 (eighteen years ago) link

there are other methods of compensation

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:55 (eighteen years ago) link

looks like she's been rimming away bullies

― gear (gear), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link

18 ballots, 0 blurbs, numerous accusations of racism

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Friday, 16 December 2005 05:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I can email you blurbs once counting votes is done, I wouldn't want to write them for nothing. For example, I'd love to write a comment for Lilo & stitch, but I kinda doubt it'll make it to the top 50, so I don't want to waste my energy before it's sure.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 16 December 2005 06:31 (eighteen years ago) link

my list will all be token teen movies except for action movies and thrillers.

maybe it will be all comic book movies!!! elektra, x-men, x-men 2, daredevil, spiderman, spiderman 2, yeah i could totally pull it off. not to mention the blades!!!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 16 December 2005 07:57 (eighteen years ago) link

wait, wasnt 21 grams nominated?

― t0dd swiss (immobilisme), Friday, 16 December 2005 08:37 (eighteen years ago) link

That was a nice film, but the director's idea that making the timeline nonlinear would somehow make the film more profound was totally misguided.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 16 December 2005 08:43 (eighteen years ago) link

i am wrong and also a douche for only nominating two films.

― t0dd swiss (immobilisme), Friday, 16 December 2005 08:59 (eighteen years ago) link

You were also fucked cos nominations were supposed to go on longer.

I hope somebody nominated Cube 2 : Hypercube (or whetever its bullshit name was) 'cos I really want to put it in my worse 3 ballot.

― Jibé (Jibé), Friday, 16 December 2005 09:58 (eighteen years ago) link

We should compare ballots, Sterling.

― Obsessing over the unobtainable and nonexistent. (Leee), Friday, 16 December 2005 19:20 (eighteen years ago) link

what i've seen:

American Wedding / American Pie 3 (Dylan, 2003)
Anchorman (McKay, 2004)
Blade II (del Toro, 2002)
The Bourne Identity (Liman, 2002)
The Bourne Supremacy (Greengrass, 2004)
Bring It On (Reed, 2000)

Charlie's Angels (McG, 2000)
Collateral (Mann, 2004)

Dude, Where's My Car (Leiner, 2000)

Elf (Favreau, 2003)
Finding Nemo (Stanton, Unkrich, 2003)
Gangs of New York (Scorsese, 2002)
Ghost World (Zwigoff, 2001)
High Fidelity (Frears, 2000)
Insomnia (Nolan, 2002)
Jackass: The Movie (Tremaine, 2002)
Kill Bill: Vol. 1 (Tarantino, 2003)
Kill Bill: Vol.2 (Tarantino, 2004)
The Lord Of The Rings - The Fellowship Of The Ring (Jackson, 2001)
Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (Jackson, 2002)
Lord Of The Rings: Return of The King (Jackson, 2003)
Lost in Translation (Coppola, 2003)

Master And Commander: The Far Side of the World (Weir, 2003)
Meet the Parents (Roach, 2000)
Minority Report (Spielberg, 2002)
Napoleon Dynamite (Hess, 2004)
Ocean's 11 (Soderbergh, 2001)
Pirates of the Caribbean (Verbinski, 2003)
Snatch (Ritchie, 2000)
Spider-Man (Raimi, 2002)
Starsky and Hutch (Phillips, 2004)
Traffic (Soderbergh, 2000)

Vanilla Sky (Crowe, 2001)

X-Men 2 / X2 (Singer, 2003)
Zoolander (Stiller, 2001)

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 16 December 2005 20:25 (eighteen years ago) link

So I'm NOT trying to be a Flaming Bag of Poop here, but why do Generation Y, culturally aware, collidge-educated people seem to avoid foreign-lang films more than any recent gen? cuz it's clear Tsai ming-Liang ain't got a prayer aginst Spider-Man 2 here. Is it that folks who geek out on 'obscure' music haven't got thetime for same in film?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 December 2005 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link

film takes longer

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 16 December 2005 20:36 (eighteen years ago) link

access is more restricted

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 16 December 2005 20:36 (eighteen years ago) link

not as fun

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 16 December 2005 20:36 (eighteen years ago) link

not that i'm anything so gauche as gen-y

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 16 December 2005 20:37 (eighteen years ago) link

My impression in the UK is that there are far MORE foreign language films in normal cinemas (i.e. not explicitly arthouse places) than ever before. There have surely been far more foreign language hits in recent years than the close-to-zero hit rate in previous decades. Perhaps this isn't true in the US, I wouldn't know.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 16 December 2005 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link

(obviously I am far from generation Y also)

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 16 December 2005 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link

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