Inception (with implanted spoilers)

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he was in a series of Emmanuelle films in the 90s, it seems. reiterating my recommendation of his twitter.

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heterosexist matrix of desire (Gukbe), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 17:50 (fifteen years ago)

Ha, turns out Lazenby is pretty interesting critic, who knew?

rhythm fixated member (chap), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 17:52 (fifteen years ago)

If I were Nolan, I'd be very proud of that dissection. That's awesome.

Personally, I love the idea of the movie as movie-making metaphor, though I suppose the double-edged sword is that it can come off a little smug if that indeed was fully what he was after. Like, aimless machine gunning as a sign of mastery of what it takes to put asses but also used as bait to put assess in seats? Unpacking that suitcase is a blast.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 17:54 (fifteen years ago)

In 1968, Lazenby was cast as James Bond, despite his only previous acting experience being in commercials, and his only film appearance being a bit-part in a 1965 Italian-made Bond spoof, Espionage in Tangiers.[3]

"It's far from 'lol' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 17:54 (fifteen years ago)

Wow, his Tumblr is great!

no gut busting joke can change history (polyphonic), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 17:57 (fifteen years ago)

Um, where does it say that it is George Lazenby?

Generation Blecch (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 17:57 (fifteen years ago)

He linked it from his twitter, which is twitter.com/georgelazenby. Ebert has confirmed it is him.

heterosexist matrix of desire (Gukbe), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 18:00 (fifteen years ago)

amaaaaaze

pies. (gbx), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 18:01 (fifteen years ago)

(and it's not just a Lazenby forger that got into Roger's dream?)

Generation Blecch (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 18:02 (fifteen years ago)

FWIW, Ebert's post and follow-ups from others:

http://twitoaster.com/country-us/ebertchicago/i-think-georgelazenby-is-one-of-the-smartest-tweeters-in-the-world-yes-that-george-lazenby/

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 18:03 (fifteen years ago)

Oh yeah, tried to look at that but it was blocked.

Generation Blecch (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 18:18 (fifteen years ago)

hey guys you know how you all said you wanted MORE Inception trailer mash-ups?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY69-AgUmDQ&feature=player_embedded

heterosexist matrix of desire (Gukbe), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 18:26 (fifteen years ago)

this is now the george lazenby discussion thread

http://twitter.com/georgelazenby/status/20056138645

incredible

goole, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 18:32 (fifteen years ago)

no way its actually him

max, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 18:35 (fifteen years ago)

http://twitter.com/georgelazenby/status/19952099465

max, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 18:35 (fifteen years ago)

looooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 18:36 (fifteen years ago)

holy hell that is funny

Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 18:36 (fifteen years ago)

bbbut ebert CONFIRMED

goole, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 18:37 (fifteen years ago)

that's not the real ebert

the itsytitchyschneider (s1ocki), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 18:45 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.wreckthetapedeck.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/usual-suspects-spacey_l.jpg

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 18:47 (fifteen years ago)

IMO a movie is really only a "B movie" or "B-style" movie if it's one or more of the following:

1. Cheap
2. Uses stock characters, especially reuse of the same characters
3. Lacks emotional/human development between characters
4. A take on traditional B tropes (film noir, capers, etc)

I can see where on 3 & 4 that Inception could fall into this, but there are plenty of other movies that sacrifice emotional development for action/plot and use capers that are not B-style

turtles all the way down (mh), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 19:14 (fifteen years ago)

The budget, I concede, is undeniably A, but the characters are even given stock titles: The Forger. The Chemist. The Architect. The Plot Explicator. The Michael Caine. Again, no harm no foul, but it's pretty much a standard let's get the gang together for one last gig sort of formula at work here.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 20:57 (fifteen years ago)

Loved the South Asian-looking chemist from a predominantly Muslim East African city breezing through US customs with no probs. Proves it was all a dream.

rhythm fixated member (chap), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 21:03 (fifteen years ago)

That Up/Inception trailer mash-up is pretty grand.

krakow, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 21:42 (fifteen years ago)

Coming from someone who enjoyed the spectacle, this movie gets dumber every time I think about it

let it sb (acoleuthic), Thursday, 5 August 2010 14:13 (fifteen years ago)

maybe you're just getting smarter

the itsytitchyschneider (s1ocki), Thursday, 5 August 2010 14:24 (fifteen years ago)

sometimes I think ILX wants to back away supporting this movie for f33r of being held in less regard by other critic p33ples

San Te, Thursday, 5 August 2010 14:26 (fifteen years ago)

not me! IT ROCKS IN UR FACE ILX

"It's far from 'lol' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Thursday, 5 August 2010 14:32 (fifteen years ago)

The more pressing anxiety to Nolan is the nightmare of anyone engaged in sustained creative activity: that the ineffable juice will find a crack in you somewhere, and drain away. We’ve all seen these movies. Formally, they’re in tip top shape: taut script, polished photography, sympathetic editing, the whole nine yards. But you come away from them with a profound feeling of emptiness. They’re like a piece of coral you’d keep on your desk. Incredibly intricate. Everything has proceeded in lockstep to make something enormously complicated, but it’s vacant. It houses nothing. Wind whistles through its impressive construction.

feel like this is a pretty otm description of inception, if only lazenby also felt this way

dyao, Thursday, 5 August 2010 14:34 (fifteen years ago)

I demand to know what Ja Rule thought of this movie....

San Te, Thursday, 5 August 2010 14:35 (fifteen years ago)

something something 'kicks' something something 'always on time'

"It's far from 'lol' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Thursday, 5 August 2010 14:38 (fifteen years ago)

um no, I enjoyed it but I also thought it had no character development whatsoever and that while its internal logic was smartly devised, at points it fell down and resorted to blagging it, and when considered at any depth it's JUST another sci-fi unreality ruse, and not an especially convincing one

the idea that his wife would come and shoot the guy just when he was about to complete the mission was crude but actually does resonate with the inevitability of dream logic - shame her continual appearances were so crassly managed

plus the 'limbo world' stuff was so hilariously unconvincing

plus it wasn't really a movie, more an idea! with guns!

and the snow-station scenes were rubbish and almost heroically confusing in their frantic action-idiocy

ah man that description is PERFECT

let it sb (acoleuthic), Thursday, 5 August 2010 14:39 (fifteen years ago)

sb'ed for starting a new paragraph after every sentence

San Te, Thursday, 5 August 2010 14:40 (fifteen years ago)

this wasn't anything like "a b-movie with an a-budget"

and nor was shutter island, are you effing kidding me?

pretty sure hitchcock's spellbound was not a b-movie

plus it wasn't really a movie, more an idea! with guns!

derp

unchill english bro (history mayne), Thursday, 5 August 2010 14:40 (fifteen years ago)

lol I was kinda riffing there

the timelapse device was the movie's great success imo

let it sb (acoleuthic), Thursday, 5 August 2010 14:41 (fifteen years ago)

my favourite thing about inception-as-metaphor-for-filmmaking is the bit where dude's all 'you can't put real places you know into the dream or you'll give yourself away', i almost laughed with surprised delight right there in the cinema as he said it.

ps in case this is unclear i really enjoyed this film and ps fuiud

the dialectic of specs (c sharp major), Thursday, 5 August 2010 14:41 (fifteen years ago)

my favourite thing about inception-as-metaphor-for-filmmaking is the bit where dude's all 'you can't put real places you know into the dream or you'll give yourself away', i almost laughed with surprised delight right there in the cinema as he said it.

yeah. i think this is why there's no sex/sublimated sex in it. nolan is being echt-public schoolboy. or old-timey, before they discovered 'revealing personal shit on the internet' as a thing.

see also: intense focus on secrecy/duplicity, which is the old timey boarding school way of life.

unchill english bro (history mayne), Thursday, 5 August 2010 14:44 (fifteen years ago)

i don't know that you can criticise a dream for not having character development. I think that what a lot of people are looking for and are criticising it for lacking would maybe clash with the internal logic of the story- nothing has happened, it was all just a dream, yeah they're all shallow convenient characters they're in his dream.

"It's far from 'lol' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Thursday, 5 August 2010 14:44 (fifteen years ago)

oh the whole "here's our brilliant dream-prodigy she's so CREATIVE it's pure creation yay creativity!" thing was fist-in-mouth material

yes yes it's about movies hooray well done my best friend and I had a conversation along those lines after seeing it and we agreed that it wasn't about what a movie does emotionally, more about the basic formal architecture of movies, which is much less interesting

let it sb (acoleuthic), Thursday, 5 August 2010 14:44 (fifteen years ago)

btw my future litmus test for all potential partners is whether they can draw a maze in one minute that I can't solve in two

dyao, Thursday, 5 August 2010 14:47 (fifteen years ago)

never understand 'lack of character development' as a criticism. sometimes not developing is part of the story. or lack of story. like in 'marienbad'. the dude who gets incepted 'develops' and learns to be his own man n e way.

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kind of think movies are effective through their formal architecture innit. but the latter is way interesting.

unchill english bro (history mayne), Thursday, 5 August 2010 14:47 (fifteen years ago)

like sorry scarjo, you're just not a-maze-ing enough

dyao, Thursday, 5 August 2010 14:48 (fifteen years ago)

hmayne I don't have a problem w lack of character development unless the film tries to make it a plot point like leos conflicted relationship w cotillard

dyao, Thursday, 5 August 2010 14:49 (fifteen years ago)

I don't understand why people are complaining that Nolan got dreaming wrong in the movie when the cornerstone of the plot is that they are crafting realistic-as-possible scenarios in order to fool the mark's subconscious but we've gone over that before.

Like, I get "I don't like the choice made with the dreams because it shut off a lot of potentially fantastic visual images that would have been too surreal to fit into the plot" but I don't get "bah dreams aren't like that, why weren't they flying around on giant eggbeaters" unless you just stopped paying attention to the movie within the first 3 minutes.

yes we did go through all of this before, I just felt like repeating it

Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Thursday, 5 August 2010 14:49 (fifteen years ago)

i think the film had weaknesses, and the leo-cotillard relaish was one of them

unchill english bro (history mayne), Thursday, 5 August 2010 14:50 (fifteen years ago)

I think Cotillard herself was my favorite character in the movie

Mayor Hickenlooper and the liberal agenda (HI DERE), Thursday, 5 August 2010 14:51 (fifteen years ago)

leos quest to redeem his guilt qualifies as pretty heavy handed char development so I don't have a problem calling Nolan out on it

dyao, Thursday, 5 August 2010 14:51 (fifteen years ago)

i had been having this quite confused conversation with a friend about the idea of parapraxis a few days earlier, and everything got tangled up in my mind, and so when I came out of the cinema i started going 'what is the thing that this film is not talking about that is the secret core of this film?' and briefly decided it was the fact that the father-son relationship doesn't have a mother in it, and then... decided i was being too 'but why does this nor conform to all freudian ideas??' and gave up.

hat it wasn't about what a movie does emotionally, more about the basic formal architecture of movies, which is much less interesting

see dude this is why i liked it! in fact i wrote a post on freakytrigger to this effect /plug

the dialectic of specs (c sharp major), Thursday, 5 August 2010 14:52 (fifteen years ago)

secret core of the movie is lol spinning tops

"It's far from 'lol' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Thursday, 5 August 2010 14:55 (fifteen years ago)

mind blown @ George Lazenby's post!

Simon H., Thursday, 5 August 2010 14:56 (fifteen years ago)


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