"Hipster" as pejorative.

sort of figure that if you're born not-dirt-shack-poor in america, and are appreciably smart, well-educated, social & attractive, then you've basically won the lottery in life. includes a lotta hipsters.

course, people free to squander they lottery winnings however they want. like doobies and gandalf records, if that floats yr boat. conceptual art, etc.

quiddities of the middle class

yeah, but that's like winning a couple hundred bucks off a scratcher rather than winning a $24 mil powerball

if i won a couple hundered off a scratcher, i'd be all "WOOOOOOOOOOOH! I'm gettin a double double! and not just a regular animal style with cheese I smuggled from home and will insert between the burger when no one's looking."

(I've never done this BTW, but thought about it.)

no serious, i can't shrug off the massive gift i was given by the accidents of fate. like being born with gold card in my ass. and my folks weren't rich by any stretch of the imagination.

is it something you want to shrug off, though?

The term dates back at least as far as the 50s. Sometimes used to imply somebody who understood the subtext/con artistry of The System, and who might be a con artist himself, re "Madison Avenue hipsters." But yeah, usually a fan of hip/bohemian artists, who might also be an artist. Not implicitly a put-down, man, though critique of what we might call a geek was never far away. "There's nothing sadder than an old hipster"--Lenny Bruce. In 50s-early 60s, "hippie" was what later 60s meant by "teeny-bopper" excitable leaping-to-conclusions noob(though teeny-bopper more about younger kids, esp female, while earlier use of hippie include neophytes/tourists/perhaps poseurs of all ages, genders etc)

is it something you want to shrug off, though?

not at all! give thanks every day. for that reason, i won't pretend i didn't win the lottery.

wtf is this conceptual art dig?

its a art that is more about thinking than painting dig?

f u

huh? you have a problem with conceptual art, dude?

no, but didn't realize it's a sore spot

people wanna be aggrieved about a lot of things

try and express yourself more clearly. you use enough words enough of the time to fashion some sense out of them once in a while.

personally i prefer art that's about thinking more so than painting, but i'm not offended if other people don't - if they find conceptual art elitist or whatever. maybe plax & i need to start a conceptual art thread ...

more aggrievedness. what's the beef? that i made light mock of the conceptual? guilty, but unashamed.

"...some sense out of them once in a while."

i mean like ow

favorably inclined towards conceptual art over here. and painting too. thread is a good idea.

this beef, like a lot of conceptual art, must have backstory i'm not privy to...

the guilt of being born with a gold card up your ass should extent to all of those with gold cards up their asses though, not just hipsters, right? idg why this derail happened or what is going on

hipster's burden

not very guilty. mostly appreciative, though wary. plus not really a hipster - too old and nerdy. derail should be blamed squarely on so-called conceptual artists.

and plax

xp - have you read my bio?

um no. u have a bio?

I'll email you

BACK TO HIPSTERS!!!!

"not just hipsters, right"
in many ways hipster behavior presents as rejecting this middle-class bounty in at least a superficial way, so the guilt or whatever you want to call it is already embedded to a certain extent, but I'm not sure how self aware as a whole hipsters are of it. I would contrast this with say, entering a priesthood, where you are very consciously and deliberately rejecting your privileged status and committing yourself to something that would be in theory hard to extricate yourself from.

I could see certain hipster activities morphing to a monkish priesthood that transcends hipsterdom, but it would require a kind of 'no-going-back' kind of commitment.

(BTW i'm not asserting any moral superiority of priests over hipsters, especially those hipster priests.)

personally i prefer art that's about thinking more so than painting, but i'm not offended if other people don't - if they find conceptual art elitist or whatever. maybe plax & i need to start a conceptual art thread ...

― sarahel, Tuesday, August 3, 2010 11:02 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark

this is really stupid comment imo

you get (or at least used to get) a lot of middle class kids going off and living in squats and living off whatever they could get out the back of sainsbury's i guess.

he's not appreciated

Pit of vipers

i don't understand the last two posts at all

really? I thought you read the ILX archives!!!

i hate comedy songs
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song way more offensive than anything "hipsters" have ever been or done
― markers, Monday, August 2, 2010 10:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

i hid someone from my Facebook wall feed b/c he posted that video.

also, this:

also in general can we cut all the side-stepping around the word "hipster" like it's some ugly "other." I'm so goddamn tired of everyone on ILX being like "I'm fat/old school/unfashionable/nerdy so I'm not a hipster." Jesus christ, we all post on a message board where people deconstruct the meaning of the word "balearic" and transcribe gucci mane lyrics and call Dirty Projectors "boring normal indie" and brag about the blues 78s they found at estate sales. Enough with the posturing already, ffs
― my adrian langs a ton (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, December 11, 2009 3:33 PM (7 months ago)

I feel less like a hipster because my favorite eccentric/indie bands get only a few posts on ILM. I also couldn't care less about practically every band on Pitchfork's top 200 list

I picture hipsters as concert-goers and/or real hardcore fans of popular college rock/pitchfork glop of the last 5 years

The fact that I'm a music junkie and like mostly obscure music doesn't make me a hipster

A part of being hip is being up to date on things. I'd assume that referencing today's hipsters would mean that they have to be fans of current/semi-current popular indie bands

You can be "hip" and listen to nothing but old Northern Soul records or proto-disco rarities.

especially that

i think that's a bit of an oversimplification - the homeless hipster could also be dumpster diving for survival, but ostensibly because of an earlier choice of that lifestyle

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nnnnnn e way, no, there are no poor/homeless/________ hipsters

― unchill english bro (history mayne), Tuesday, August 3, 2010 6:29 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

http://altreport.hipsterrunoff.com/2010/08/group-of-homeless-alts-have-sleepovers-outside-of-relevant-events.html

oh. my god.

It was the summer of 2k10. That’s when me and my fam started arguing a lot. I’d stay out to late partying, raving, and giving oral sex to my bffs on my parent’s front porch. Needless to say, things didn’t end well. My parents told me I had to stop going to raves, after a few of my friends died in Los Angeles/Germany. I was hella bummed because they didn’t understand that I kept myself super hydrated when I dropped E. Always had a ‘babysitter’/designated bro.

I go to Goldsmiths, wear skinny jeans + deck shoes without socks, wear thick black glasses, am awkward, spend too much time on the internet, have a short back and sides with a massive fringe. Am I a hipster?

you had me at skinny jeans

^not au fait with Goldsmiths I take it

can't we all just come together and make a F**K You Improv Dorkwards youtube?

dorkwads

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5dIzY7yvRA&feature=player_embedded