"Hipster" as pejorative.

i think that's a bit of an oversimplification - the homeless hipster could also be dumpster diving for survival, but ostensibly because of an earlier choice of that lifestyle

nnnnnn e way, no, there are no poor/homeless/________ hipsters

why arent they allowed to be cool

because they smell like listerine, desperation, and rotting bananas.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/7897072/Chinese-tramp-Brother-Sharp-shoots-to-movie-fame.html

"He is a very different person now to how he was before [...] He has not yet passed out of the shadows that accumulated in the years he spent in Ningbo," he added.

"When he returned home in March, however, he found that his father and his wife had been killed in a car accident last year."

personal tragedy and genuine poverty is absolution from hipsterdom?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_vbrQrBP0ixY/TAO9DuN3X3I/AAAAAAAAAQk/u_d_Mh1OkYE/s1600/kramerPimp.jpg

whiney & people agreeing w him itt otm. a couple years of painstaking inner turmoil and shame growing up as a hipstrous 16 & 17 y/o concluded in a p enlightening disassociation and feeling of freedom for me, and i feel like wgw's explanation is pretty much the simplest and most true way of putting it. anyone who, like, cares about and makes value judgments based on if they think someone is a hipster can seriously eat a fucking dick. and embracing that you are a culturally aware young person who likes cool shit and is not some working class bub or careerist is really healthy, surely moreso than the dudes making & promoting the views extolled in these youtube videos

I dunno, I feel a certain amount of guilt/circumspection is totally appropriate about being a hipster or more broadly, having disposable income (or the power to get it). Not for the purposes of feeling bad, but maybe pruning away at the sense of entitlement that comes from basically winning the lottery in life.

I won the lottery and all I got was this shitty Arcade Fire album

uh, i don't hipsters = winning the lottery in life as compared to actual rich people

i realize a lot of people think hipsters are exclusively trust fund babies & stuff, but what about someone who works a job that he may or may not care about but isn't, like, life-consuming, and has some disposable income, and spends it on shit?

most hipsters i know have jobs and are not trust fund babies

I sometimes think that reactionary outbursts against hipsters are actually manifestations of "Rent"-induced post-traumatic stress

someone who works a job that he may or may not care about but isn't, like, life-consuming, and has some disposable income, and spends it on shit

disgusting savages, obvy

sort of figure that if you're born not-dirt-shack-poor in america, and are appreciably smart, well-educated, social & attractive, then you've basically won the lottery in life. includes a lotta hipsters.

course, people free to squander they lottery winnings however they want. like doobies and gandalf records, if that floats yr boat. conceptual art, etc.

quiddities of the middle class

yeah, but that's like winning a couple hundred bucks off a scratcher rather than winning a $24 mil powerball

if i won a couple hundered off a scratcher, i'd be all "WOOOOOOOOOOOH! I'm gettin a double double! and not just a regular animal style with cheese I smuggled from home and will insert between the burger when no one's looking."

(I've never done this BTW, but thought about it.)

no serious, i can't shrug off the massive gift i was given by the accidents of fate. like being born with gold card in my ass. and my folks weren't rich by any stretch of the imagination.

is it something you want to shrug off, though?

The term dates back at least as far as the 50s. Sometimes used to imply somebody who understood the subtext/con artistry of The System, and who might be a con artist himself, re "Madison Avenue hipsters." But yeah, usually a fan of hip/bohemian artists, who might also be an artist. Not implicitly a put-down, man, though critique of what we might call a geek was never far away. "There's nothing sadder than an old hipster"--Lenny Bruce. In 50s-early 60s, "hippie" was what later 60s meant by "teeny-bopper" excitable leaping-to-conclusions noob(though teeny-bopper more about younger kids, esp female, while earlier use of hippie include neophytes/tourists/perhaps poseurs of all ages, genders etc)

is it something you want to shrug off, though?

not at all! give thanks every day. for that reason, i won't pretend i didn't win the lottery.

wtf is this conceptual art dig?

its a art that is more about thinking than painting dig?

f u

huh? you have a problem with conceptual art, dude?

no, but didn't realize it's a sore spot

people wanna be aggrieved about a lot of things

try and express yourself more clearly. you use enough words enough of the time to fashion some sense out of them once in a while.

personally i prefer art that's about thinking more so than painting, but i'm not offended if other people don't - if they find conceptual art elitist or whatever. maybe plax & i need to start a conceptual art thread ...

more aggrievedness. what's the beef? that i made light mock of the conceptual? guilty, but unashamed.

"...some sense out of them once in a while."

i mean like ow

favorably inclined towards conceptual art over here. and painting too. thread is a good idea.

this beef, like a lot of conceptual art, must have backstory i'm not privy to...

the guilt of being born with a gold card up your ass should extent to all of those with gold cards up their asses though, not just hipsters, right? idg why this derail happened or what is going on

hipster's burden

not very guilty. mostly appreciative, though wary. plus not really a hipster - too old and nerdy. derail should be blamed squarely on so-called conceptual artists.

and plax

xp - have you read my bio?

um no. u have a bio?

I'll email you

BACK TO HIPSTERS!!!!

"not just hipsters, right"
in many ways hipster behavior presents as rejecting this middle-class bounty in at least a superficial way, so the guilt or whatever you want to call it is already embedded to a certain extent, but I'm not sure how self aware as a whole hipsters are of it. I would contrast this with say, entering a priesthood, where you are very consciously and deliberately rejecting your privileged status and committing yourself to something that would be in theory hard to extricate yourself from.

I could see certain hipster activities morphing to a monkish priesthood that transcends hipsterdom, but it would require a kind of 'no-going-back' kind of commitment.

(BTW i'm not asserting any moral superiority of priests over hipsters, especially those hipster priests.)

personally i prefer art that's about thinking more so than painting, but i'm not offended if other people don't - if they find conceptual art elitist or whatever. maybe plax & i need to start a conceptual art thread ...

― sarahel, Tuesday, August 3, 2010 11:02 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark

this is really stupid comment imo

you get (or at least used to get) a lot of middle class kids going off and living in squats and living off whatever they could get out the back of sainsbury's i guess.

he's not appreciated