"Hipster" as pejorative.

if there were a list of people in the world who are benefiting most from the word 'hipster' existing, whiney would literally be on that list

OK well of ppl who buy and consume that sort of stuff lots of em are probably quite shallow and hipstery about it and lots of em probably aren't - my point is that being blanket dismissive of folks' interests on the basis of the (imagined) first group is baby/bathwater stuff as well as just really boring

anyway we went from Gong reissues to Mexican Summer pretty quick there

Mencap if you don't think some dudes playing ookie-cookie with whatever new Sublime Frequencies or Mexican Summer 12" comes into a store makes someone closer to a stamp collector than a "hipster" than wake up and smell the Four Loko

First bit of the flowchart needs to be 'How many times have you left your bedroom this week?', second bit needs to be 'How many times have you gone to places other than the record store?'. I admire your attempts to be charitable to a load of obsessive techno shut-ins with no friends but this is nonsense.

There has to be a broader cultural dimension (choice of clothes, bars, movies, etc) - if it's just about obsessing over obscure music then I know some profoundly unhip hipsters.

of course

Part and parcel of being a hipster is that other hipsters want to hang out/go drinking/have sex with them from time to time, not just sit on the internet and talk about Panda Bear.

the idea of hipsterdom is essentially chimeric

Now I don't know who I'm meant to be disagreeing with.

I just think of a hipster (pejoratively) as someone who likes a lot of the same things I like, but for the "wrong" reasons, which is a subjective judgement and fundamentally bogus, which is why I try to avoid the word.

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Whiney OTM. It's such a lame, overused term that could mean so much or so little to different people. I've only really heard it used on the internet and it's generally used to describe young white urban people with an interest in music and fashion, which I struggle to understand as a problem. Obviously there are certain levels of hipsterdom, and some young white people with an interest in music and fashion do act like arseholes (Nathan Barley types?), but I'd rather just call them an arsehole than a hipster.

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do hipsters like chillwave?

y i love it

i like that hipsterdom always boils down to music appreciation – like that sad thread where people said their relationships were much more profound when they shared musical tastes with their S.O.

cultural definition by superficial aesthetic preference

remy could u find that thread??

don't remember what it was called, and i might have drunk-posted or image-bombed it. search fails me, but it was something in the neighborhood of 'would you date somebody with opposite music tastes as you?'

Historical note from an old person. In the early to mid 1990s we used the word "hipsters" or "scenesters" in something close to its current use (people who went to indie rock shows a lot and wore vintage clothes or gas station uniforms with someone else's name stitched on.) The word "hipster" was definitely meant to sound a bit jokey and '50s antique (it went with the clothes, if you like.) I don't recall it having a pejorative sense unless you were accusing someone of overdoing it.

i've discussed the hipster scale with quite a few IRL friends. i'm thinking it would be fun to do a book/web project about it structured like Paul Fussell's book on Class, and like that book it would have a quiz that would perform the all important function of telling the reader where he/she falls on the scale.

eephus OTM this term dates back to the early 90s

I don't give a shit if anyone calls me a hipster. to some people I am, to others maybe I'm not - who cares?

well Shakey, obv me & Whiney care!

need to grow some thicker skins then, kids

caring does not necessarily equal emotionally affected. i just think it's interesting from a cultural/sociological standpoint.

I don't like repeating myself but can I just say again:

the only really good use I've found for "hipster" is as a lighthearted inoffensive substitute for the n-word when rapping along with music

― LRN, which helps companies build ethical cultures (bernard snowy), Monday, February 1, 2010 2:39 PM (6 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

it's good cuz it doesn't mess up rhyme or meter, plus what kind of grinch wouldn't crack a smile at a line like "phony hipsters are outlined in chalk"???

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whiney is saying ilxors are basically hipsters -- take the compliment imo.

I got forty hipsters up in here now who kill hipsters' fathers

Is it possible to be a poor hipster? It seems like hipster is synonymous with having more earning power than the lifestyle you are affecting would want to signal, but does so anyway by its very affectation. no checklist needed.

oh god, it's extremely possible to be a poor hipster - like plenty of the lifestyle accessories are chosen because they are cheap or readily available in poor neighborhoods where a lot of hipsters live.

yeah some of my friends are definitely poor hipsters (altho I could be wrong, depending on where u draw the line between 'poor hipster' and 'anarchist/crusty/bike-punk kid' or w/e)

lol why on earth do i have this inane thread bookmarked

uh anarchist/crusty/bike-punk kids are part of the hipster spectrum

kind of depends what u mean by poor

there's a difference between a 'poor' 24 y.o. hipster and an actual poor person

i mean real poor like i don't feel homeless people could be hipsters, no matter how accidentally outre their outfits are.

caring does not necessarily equal emotionally affected. i just think it's interesting from a cultural/sociological standpoint.

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i would be flayed for posting this sentiment elsewhere.....

there are homeless hipsters

are they homeless by choice or by circumstances largely beyond their control?

but the corollary is rephrasing history mayne's statement - "there's a difference between a 'homeless' 24 y.o. hipster and a real homeless person"

hipsterhobos.tumblr.com

e.g. dumpster diving for fun vs. dumpster diving for survival

i think that's a bit of an oversimplification - the homeless hipster could also be dumpster diving for survival, but ostensibly because of an earlier choice of that lifestyle

nnnnnn e way, no, there are no poor/homeless/________ hipsters

why arent they allowed to be cool

because they smell like listerine, desperation, and rotting bananas.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/7897072/Chinese-tramp-Brother-Sharp-shoots-to-movie-fame.html

"He is a very different person now to how he was before [...] He has not yet passed out of the shadows that accumulated in the years he spent in Ningbo," he added.

"When he returned home in March, however, he found that his father and his wife had been killed in a car accident last year."

personal tragedy and genuine poverty is absolution from hipsterdom?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_vbrQrBP0ixY/TAO9DuN3X3I/AAAAAAAAAQk/u_d_Mh1OkYE/s1600/kramerPimp.jpg

whiney & people agreeing w him itt otm. a couple years of painstaking inner turmoil and shame growing up as a hipstrous 16 & 17 y/o concluded in a p enlightening disassociation and feeling of freedom for me, and i feel like wgw's explanation is pretty much the simplest and most true way of putting it. anyone who, like, cares about and makes value judgments based on if they think someone is a hipster can seriously eat a fucking dick. and embracing that you are a culturally aware young person who likes cool shit and is not some working class bub or careerist is really healthy, surely moreso than the dudes making & promoting the views extolled in these youtube videos

I dunno, I feel a certain amount of guilt/circumspection is totally appropriate about being a hipster or more broadly, having disposable income (or the power to get it). Not for the purposes of feeling bad, but maybe pruning away at the sense of entitlement that comes from basically winning the lottery in life.