Inception (with implanted spoilers)

I feel so silly still defending this movie in any way this long after I saw it (it was really enjoyable, but hardly worth a robust defense). Anyway, Dream Security Training is for normal theft. As far as anyone in the corporate world knows, there is no such thing as inception (what we are watching is brand new tech). And you can't really train someone not to think of a purple elephant -- or whatever big corporate secret they have.

Good points, good points.

Yeah, that's why good inceptors (?) are a high value asset I guess? Makes sense within the logic of the movie anyway.

inception plot borrowed from Carl Barks Scrooge McDuck comic book

How do folks feel about this movie compared with the one where J.Lo jumps into Vincent D'Onofrio's brain to fight art installations?

This was much better but I also enjoyed "The Cell", if only because it was so ridiculously silly.

yeah i like anything w/ overcooked art design

the jodorowsky school

if you will

In that case, recommend me some Jodorowsky...?

Holy Mountain!

to a lesser extent, El Topo

Shakey, that looks more like Keno Don Rosa than Barks...

holy mountain is just

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_k8oaeHsnc

yeah, I wasn't sure, erred on the side of Barks

xp

but yes HOLY MOUNTAIN IS JUST

thankig u for recommendations, the production design was my 2nd favorite part of The Cell, right after J-Lo's sweet behind.

yeah it was a pretty amazing-looking movie

Wowie, just watched that Holy Mt. trailer, will seek out.

god that movie rules

you are excrement. you can change yourself into gold.

Are people who complain that this movie's depictions of dreams is unrealistic not realize that dreams are usually uninteresting?

Pretend I said that with better syntax.

did we post that college humor thing about all the garbled plot points in this movie? because it's pretty on the mark.

i haven't seen it -- post it?

also xp "Hey, wanna hear about this dream I had last night?"

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1939332

amateurist's memory is about as solid as the plot, almost eddy-esque:

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1939332

― juicebox, Monday, August 2, 2010 12:01 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

that college humor thing is pretty otm

― by another name (amateurist), Monday, August 2, 2010 12:44 PM (Yesterday)

i don't understand, not understanding this movie

Shorter Patrick Goldstein:

The olds, they do not understand

Oh wait, perhaps I am wrong

Pretty sure Carl Barks is secretly responsible for like 99% of every modern movie idea ever

i don't understand, not understanding this movie

― the itsytitchyschneider (s1ocki), Tuesday, August 3, 2010 11:04 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark

really? you don't think that video has a point?

my favorite part of The Cell is the amazing horse slicing scene
a very high grade moment for a low grade film

thinking maybe years of playing video games prepared me to understand the inception storyline (ie: maybe you need to understand how to think like a video game, suspend disbelief, etc, or else you start to think too much into it and get super confused)

ie: questions like, "how come some people can shapeshift," or "why is it hard to wake up from limbo" would be found in the in-game codex that you never really want to read cause it's boring and you just want to fight some more dudes. (when you get really bored you can read vol 1-10 of the history of dream-theft + inception)

otm, cant be bothered by such questions

how can some people shapeshift is a pretty unimportant thing to worry about but the limbo stuff is... really important to the plot

i just played a ton of Dragon's Age tonight where I basically championed one dude to become king over another dude without knowing the differences between them (even tho all that information was available thru optional conversations + the codex) because I really didn't care and just wanted to kill a bunch of monsters. Knowing the details of how limbo works exactly really doesn't bug me. When you go too deep in a dream you can slip into this place called limbo. Limbo is really intoxicating and hard to wake up from and it's like a shared dreaming space that contains stuff left behind from whoever was there before -- that's really enough for me! I don't need to know anymore. (And I don't care to either. Too many directors ruin movies by giving tmi -- like Donnie Darko)

video games are different from movies--they place different demands on their consumers and their consumers demand different kinds of things from them. its not a particularly helpful comparison imo.

Too many directors ruin movies by giving tmi -- like Donnie Darko

this makes zero sense. INCEPTION gives way tmi, DONNIE DARKO (the theatrical cut) doesn't, it's mysterious; that's why stupid fans argue about the time travel aspects and that's why there's a director's cut filled with stupid exposition

i don't understand, not understanding this movie

― the itsytitchyschneider (s1ocki), Tuesday, August 3, 2010 11:04 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark

really? you don't think that video has a point?

― by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, August 4, 2010 12:37 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark

i couldn't really get thru it cuz i thought it wasn't very funny... but i agree that it's complicated, i just think that with the exception of a few fudge-y areas what's going on is spelled out pretty plainly, and anything that's not doesn't really interfere with the story.

oh wow i just realised i got that collegehumour video completely backwards - i thought it was about how the film had wayyyy too much ariadne-prompted exposition!

o maybe it was? ha

I just finished "Shutter Island," and as overbaked as it may be, I think Leo is a lot better in it than he is in this, and its own themes (themselves overlapping at times with those of "Inception") more effective. To this I can only credit the direction, and also Scorsese's wise deference to B-movie tropes. As serious as he takes it, at least he seems to be nodding to the ridiculousness of past thrillers, right down to the interminable "what we just saw" breakdown scene (with its shades of the deflating denouement of "Psycho"). Nolan's problem, in retrospect, seems to be that he made a B-movie and treated it like an A-movie, wheres Scorsese's better honed instincts convinced him to make an A-movie but treat it like a B-movie.

I dunno how you'd describe Inception as a 'B' movie tbh

'inception' was better than i was expecting and i was expecting it to be good. there are aspects that maybe don't hold up or are unexplained but i didn't particularly care since i enjoyed it so much. and i guess i didn't think there was much manipulation or trickery, everything was pretty clear to me.

x-post Because it's kind of innately silly, and hides its shaky logic behind oppressive flash, I guess. It aims to be provocative, but ultimately errs on the side of spectacle above ideas. But it's still a very engaging b-movie!

For what it's worth, I found "The Prestige" a much better b-movie ideal, because while it takes itself equally seriously, it at least has some fun with its batshit premise.

I can see Inception as a B-movie. I think I've said it before, but I think Shutter Island worked as an A-movie (?) in a B-movie disguise because it's plot was so stupid that you barely paid any attention to it all, allowing the visuals, sound, and aura of grief take over. In Inception, you're too busy concentrating on the surface to delve any further into the emotions or ideas that might exist within.

The Prestige is not a B-movie to me, as that's the only Nolan film that has any emotional effect on me whatsoever.

um, do you guys know what a B movie actually is?

http://costumzee.com/view/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/bee_movie.png

It aims to be provocative, but ultimately errs on the side of spectacle above ideas.

how does this make it not an a-movie?

uh xpost