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yeah hippies are stupid! Man, comedy genius right there.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 18 March 2005 00:49 (twenty-one years ago)

But that wasn't even really the point! OK, maybe it was. But it was still funny!

― o. nate (onate), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Mo, you do realise that because you can explain a joke it doesn't mean that the joke wasn't funny, right?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:55 (twenty-one years ago)

My coworker adored the hippie episode for a basic reason: SLAYER

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't even see the episode, I'm just bitchy.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 18 March 2005 01:06 (twenty-one years ago)

"You kids just haven't been to college yet"

I bet David Horowitz watches a tape of this episode and jerks off to it.

― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Friday, 18 March 2005 03:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Hippie episode was great at the beginning, great setup, Cartman locking hippies in his basement ("Here's a bunch of joints, and... here's a guitar"), and then it didn't do anything very clever with it. The action/horror movie satire was lame.

― sunburned and snowblind (kenan), Friday, 18 March 2005 05:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I just saw it and I agree. Though I liked the use of Slayer.

― ()ops (()()ps), Friday, 18 March 2005 06:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I really need to catch up with the show, but I like the idea it'll serve as a catalog of all the pop culture stuff of the past few years I didn't care about otherwise. Handy. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 March 2005 07:13 (twenty-one years ago)

See, it's just that "hippies don't like Slayer" isn't really funny -- it's obvious. It might be cool or something, but it isn't funny. "Sixth graders are afraid of water", that's funny.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 18 March 2005 07:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan, what did Chef do that was even funny?!!??!

"We need a scientist, an engineer, and a black person to sacrifce when things go wrong." (According to my wife, most of this episode was an extended harshing on "The Core". She also agreed that the episode was weak.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 March 2005 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Being obvious doesn't mean something can't be funny. But I agree it wasn't very funny in this instance. (I just liked it due to my personal history with jokes about Slayer)

― ()ops (()()ps), Friday, 18 March 2005 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

Tonight's show about Michael "Jefferson" was funny! I don't know if it was new. I didn't catch all of it. By the end, Wacko Jacko is a disintegrating skeleton. The message was a good one - you shouldn't try to be a kid when you have a kid. Anybody else see this one?

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Friday, 6 May 2005 01:41 (twenty-one years ago)

It's an old one, from last season I believe. It was all right, but I got really irritated with all the MJ squeals and "hee!"s and whatnot. OK, we get that it's Michael Jackson, enough!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 6 May 2005 07:59 (twenty-one years ago)

It was funny.

I started off thinking South Park sucked, thinking that the shtick was just shock humor. But, now I realize it's a great show and always watch it when I discover it's on.

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:56 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...

so wait, how long has the WB been airing south park reruns?

― 100% WJE (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 05:24 (twenty years ago)

That's happening nationally? I noticed that too, but figured that it was a local board-op who had left the wrong switch on or something.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)

It started maybe 2 or 3 weeks ago?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

"Panthers" in the movie were the best shit ever.

― Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 21:06 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

tonights (Trapped in the closet) was very good, loved the R. Kelly appearance, the constant urging for Tom Cruise to come out of the closet, and the total fuck-off to scientology.

the only bad thing is that for the second straight week, trey parker and company have written themselves into a hole that they can't really resolve. Do they really expect to be sued over this episode?

― JD from CDepot, Thursday, 17 November 2005 03:41 (twenty years ago)

was last week's ep the gay marriage one?

― kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 17 November 2005 04:05 (twenty years ago)

no, it was the ginger kids one

― JD from CDepot, Thursday, 17 November 2005 04:07 (twenty years ago)

Mocking hippies made some sense back when, say, Elvis Costello did it in 1977. Now it's just a corny rightwing canard and profoundly clueless, like mocking beatniks in 1968.

Fuck these guys; they're the Dennis Miller of tv toons.

― M. V. (M.V.), Thursday, 17 November 2005 04:10 (twenty years ago)

yeah, the mocking hippies one seemed like nothing more than leftover animosity from trey & matt being surrounded by them at CU-Boulder. Tho I did like the "Cartman as Kevin McCarthy" aspect, mussed hair & all.

― kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 17 November 2005 04:13 (twenty years ago)

"leftover animosity from trey & matt being surrounded by them at CU-Boulder"

thats exactly what it is, and its no reason to overlook this show, which is often very funny and insightful. ive always hated the idea that its just a step or two below O'Reilly or Limbaugh, that just seems like a ridiculous talking point in and of itself.

― JD from CDepot, Thursday, 17 November 2005 04:18 (twenty years ago)

tonight's ep was a lot like the mormon one, only with far more "they're in the closet jokes!" and less singing.

Still, the ending(and watch the credits) is cute.

― kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 17 November 2005 06:59 (twenty years ago)

Also, i don't think tonight's ending was nessarily them writing into a corner. It seemed more a set-up for the joke in the credits, with Stan being all defiant before they cut to the work of John Smith, etc.

― kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 17 November 2005 07:21 (twenty years ago)

i thought the gingervitis episode was fantastic

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 17 November 2005 08:42 (twenty years ago)

Because you love sucky things?

Tonight's was probably the only one this season worth watching, and yeah, it was more or less a rehash of the much better Mormon episode. Still, not bad at all.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 17 November 2005 09:09 (twenty years ago)

ive always hated the idea that its just a step or two below O'Reilly or Limbaugh, that just seems like a ridiculous talking point in and of itself.

Talking point? Whose talking point? Hippies Anti-Defamation League?

― M. V. (M.V.), Thursday, 17 November 2005 13:04 (twenty years ago)

Phish fans have feelings too, I suppose.

― KSTFUNS (Ex Leon), Thursday, 17 November 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

Of the reptile brain variety, perhaps.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 November 2005 13:54 (twenty years ago)

ive heard a lot of people say something along the lines of "Matt and Trey are just closet conservatives." and then there is that book about "south park conservatives"

" Anderson argues that Comedy Central's cartoon series, South Park, embodies the "fiercely anti-liberal comedic spirit" of the "new media" from Kaus to Coulter. The cartoon, he writes, reflects a "post-liberal counterculture" that is "particularly appealing to the young, however much it might offend older conservatives." "

― JD from CDepot, Thursday, 17 November 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

The cartoon, he writes, reflects a "post-liberal counterculture" that is "particularly appealing to the young, however much it might offend older conservatives."

And you think this is bullshit? I don't. I think it's basically accurate (though grouping them with Ann Coulter is bullshit). They're fundamentally big-hearted, I guess, but they're also part of the Transgressive Cryptoreactionary Fratboy meme. (The asshole who ran fuckedcompany.com was another example, btw.)

― M. V. (M.V.), Thursday, 17 November 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

god, i just dont see it. I mean, Cartman is so far to the right that he goose-steps, and they hate hippies, but i suspect they are at heart apolitical. I mean, look at the election episode, where they pitted a giant doche against a turd sandwich. Or the gay marriage episode, where the elected official (Colorado Gov, i think) is just really displeased when he has to make a decision that people actually care about.

― JD from CDepot, Thursday, 17 November 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

If they're in line with anything, it's the hipster libertarian thing, the suck.com-Reason-Peter Bagge crowd. I thought the Scientology one was just so-so, it was a little too deliberate and the "trapped in the closet" gag went on waaaay too long. The ginger kids one was good.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 17 November 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

I think my fave bit was just straightforwardly telling the whole Xenu/volcano thing, and putting up "THIS IS WHAT SCIENTOLOGISTS ACTUAKLLY BELIEVE" in bold during the entire thing.

but yeah, these guys are libertarian types.

On the other hand, I think the Suck.com folks in particular weren't nec. so much libertarians as just straight hipster contrarian asshole/nihilist-types. Remember that they were active during the Clinton years, so they had to go against that. Snarky for no particular reason, other than just being so. Wonkette never changed her tone, even after Suck went down. The Pose is all that matters, etc.

― kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 17 November 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

"straight hipster contrarian asshole/nihilist-types"

which is precisely what south park isn't. you can't create a character like butters and be this.

― JD from CDepot, Thursday, 17 November 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

yeah the only thread of continuity to suck was snark, libertarianism was hardly the party line there. south park dudes decidedly very much libertarian but (thankgod) satirists/comedians first. a shame we'll probably never get to see them do an episode on libertarianism a la 'these freaks actually believe this crazy shit' like they did with mormonism and scientology.

this is gonna be the team america thread all over again isn't it?

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 17 November 2005 18:00 (twenty years ago)

I still don't understand what was was supposed to be funny or poignant or insightful re: the OMG GLOBAL WARMING nonsense in this season's first episode.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 17 November 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

honest question: what in libertarianism is truly as crazy as the tenents of mormonism or scientology?

― JD from CDepot, Thursday, 17 November 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

Which is to say, um, yay South Park?

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 17 November 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

this is gonna be the team america thread all over again isn't it?

We can avoid that. What if we were to discuss the political implications of Butters, instead?

Say, have they used Pip since Butters appeared? (aside from their Charles Dickens/Monty Python ep?) I'm trying to think of another character they both torture and celebrate so much as Butters. Pip they just tortured.

― kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 17 November 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

I've pretty much given up trying to figure out Stone and Parker's politics. There are so many levels of irony going on that I think it's pretty hard to get to the core of, and when a genuine sentiment does pierce the post-modern fog, it's generally pretty humanist in nature (and often manifests itself in Butters - what a great creation he is). Everytime I find my self getting wound up by some inferred rightest reactionary opinion I try and think, 'they've obviously mainly put that in there to piss off pussies like me', and get on with laughing like a bastard.

It's such an extrodinary show which will be seen in the future as a key satirical work, more so than the Simpsons, I believe.

― chap who would dare to tell uninteresting celeb spotting stories (chap), Thursday, 17 November 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

yeah, i think it trumps the simpsons as well.

you're also really getting at something. To me, Butters has always been a statement that reads something like: "Even if the world is post-modern, not all of it's inhabitants are"

― JD from CDepot, Thursday, 17 November 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, particularly accentuated by the fact that Butters has absolutely no grasp of irony (which is often what gets him into so much trouble).

― chap who would dare to tell uninteresting celeb spotting stories (chap), Thursday, 17 November 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

I miss Tweak.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 17 November 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

Let's say I pull a '79 Zephyr out of an abandoned garage. Twenty-six years ago some college kid with a nihilist sense of humor affixed to that car a "NUKE THE WHALES" bumper sticker. If I charged the battery, changed the oil, checked the tires and renewed the registration, would I be good to go? No, not unless I

1) wanted the whales nuked, or
2) were completely oblivious to how subsequent events had changed the way other people would view that bumper sticker.

Look, Sean Penn may be kind of an asshat, but no way is Stone & Parker's obvious, disproportionate focus on the asshattery of the Sean Penns of the world "apolitical" in 2005.

― M. V. (M.V.), Thursday, 17 November 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

Celebrity bits of any kind are often their weakest, although their have been exceptions. Robert Smith fighting Godzilla and Sally Struthers dueling with Pat Robertson's space ship were both pretty good. And Brian Boitano, obviously.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 17 November 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

"their/there"

The internet is rotting my brain.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 17 November 2005 20:21 (twenty years ago)

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