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The somewhat grim stories of ">Edison, Tesla, Westinghouse and Topsy the Elephant.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 29 May 2005 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Which is to say Electrocuting an Elephant also helps establish the format as excellent for Toxic Sludge is Good for You-style manipulation.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 29 May 2005 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Topsy the Elephant had killed three people, and even if one of them had fed her a lit cigarette...

Also establishing the notion that most inmates executed under death penalties are either innocent or committed justifiable crimes.

Electrocuting an Elephant is the birth of the 20th century in nearly every conceivable way.

L'Histoire d'Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 29 May 2005 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Annabelle Serpentine Dance: BIG DANCING VAGINA.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 29 May 2005 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

that edison boxset is insane!

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 29 May 2005 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

It's really good, Cozen! I bought it a while back, and I still get a kick out of showing some of the stuff to friends.

Remy (x Jeremy), Sunday, 29 May 2005 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

i think my entire april paycheck went to box sets of silent films

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 29 May 2005 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

you should list what was on the receipt.

L'Histoire d'Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 29 May 2005 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...
http://www.cadrage.net/dossier/aelita.gif

Oh, now I remember where I saw this. On Chris Marker's Immemory. (It's on Netflix!)

Eric H: not a troll, with one exception (Eric H.), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

it's funny that protazanov (sp???) is primarily known in the west for that film, when he made really intense, sometimes beautiful and very moving, very slow, and verrrrrry russian dramas before and after the revolution. "father sergius" etc. SPOILERS: (that's the one where the monk chops off his finger so as to resist the temptation of a flirtatious crazy woman)

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

(inspiring a collective "aieeeeeeeeee!!!!" from the audience, always.)

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

http://www.silentfilm.org/

We're going to see

http://www.silentfilm.org/thebigparade.jpg

and

http://www.silentfilm.org/2005festival/thescarletletter/images/thescarletletter.jpg

'The Scarlet Letter'

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

both are extraordinary. the latter especially.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...
has anyone seen this buster keaton film? (not strictly silent.)

N_RQ, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:25 (twenty years ago)

I have, and as the comments there would suggest, for completists only. From the bottom of Buster's derailed-career bottle. (I think there are clips in that 'A Hard Act to Follow' PBS biography they use just cuz you can see he has the shakes.)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

hmmm, it's funny cos it's directed by what was basically a member of the uk avant-garde, who made little pastiche movies through the '20s. on the wants for now.

N_RQ, Wednesday, 19 October 2005 07:38 (twenty years ago)

Well, that would make a strange precursor to that Beckett film Buster did the year before he died.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...
Tonight I saw Sunrise for the first time in twelve years and the second time ever, and I'm still comfortable calling it my all-time favorite movie, if I have to have one.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 6 February 2006 03:22 (twenty years ago)

but what about janet gaynor's wig?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 6 February 2006 04:24 (twenty years ago)

Is it a wig, though? Towards the end, there's a scene where her hair is long and damp and yet still blonde. Ish.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 6 February 2006 04:28 (twenty years ago)

Er OK, I'm seeing a website that says it was a wig used in Murnau's Faust:

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00005ASOS.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 6 February 2006 04:36 (twenty years ago)

(And holy shit take a look at this AMAZING film poster for Faust.)

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 6 February 2006 04:37 (twenty years ago)

there was an amazing exhibit of Ufa posters here a few years ago... i got the book and it's full of totally wicked stuff, some collage-y, some still showing art nouveau influence, just lots of really beautiful and creative stuff (including that faust poster). if people want i could maybe scan some in...

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 6 February 2006 15:11 (twenty years ago)


One of the exhibit's strengths is that it features different posters advertising the same film, usually intended for separate markets (generally German or Austrian). In some cases the studio would hold a public competition to determine who would design a film's poster. The two winners for Murnau's Faust are markedly different, one a brightly coloured variation on a Medieval woodcut, the other a straightforward painting of Faust and Mephistopheles.

(that's from an article i wrote about the show)

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 6 February 2006 15:12 (twenty years ago)

i saw a good silent, anthony asquith's 'a cottage on dartmoor' (1929). the orig. had a brief scene of sound -- when the characters go to see a talkie, but that version is lost.

kind of pudovkin does brit melodrama.

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Monday, 6 February 2006 15:14 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...
I do have a multi-region player. It only cost me $70 though.
I know precious fuck-all about prewar Soviet cinema outside of the usual suspects--Eisenstein, Kushelov, Vertov, Pudovkin. I've long wanted to see stuff by Kozintsev and Trauberg, Room, Boris Barnet. A lot of good people insist that Barnet's By the Bluest of Seas (actually from 1936) is one of the greatest films ever made. I've always wanted to see Chapayev too. I mean we all know the line about Tarkovsky and Parazhanov rebelling against Socialist Realism or Momumentalism but where are the examples of those genres?

This October the major silent film festival at Pordenone in Italy is featuring a tribute to as Ivan Mosjoukine, the Russian actor and director who left for France during the Revolution and there made Le Brasier ardent (1923) which supposedly anticipates both Soviet montage and French impressionist cinema! He also starred in L'Herbier's Feu Matthia Pascal and Volkoff's Casanova.

Pordenone

-- Amateurist (amateuris...), April 16th, 2003.

london has a kozintsev and trauberg season on. thus far i've seen 'the devil's wheel' and 'the cloak'. 'the cloak' is based on gogol and possibly debunks (it was attacked for doing so) a classic of russian literature. the problem is that without that cultural background, this doesn;t really go over. it's very reminiscent of 'der letze mann', though trauberg in later life staunchly denied this. it was scripted by one of the formalist critics (tynyanov, sp.) and so has a kind of privileged position in film studies (maybe).

'the devil's wheel', their earliest surviving film (1926, i think) is much better, very 'strike', kind of an 'underground' story. neither of them are really 'montage' films, in terms of editing but they are i suppose about montage in that they are consciously plays of symbols, signs not signifieds and all that.

re. socialist realism -- i think 'Chapayev' was part of this, but also k & t's very popular 'maxim' trilogy (not to be confused w. gorky's own maxim films...).

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Friday, 3 March 2006 12:28 (twenty years ago)

I saw this great Japanese silent film a couple of years back called A Page Of Madness (1926, Teinosuke Kinugasa). Was particularly impressed by the special effects which seemed way, way ahead of its time.

Is anyone familiar with the director / availability of his films?

Mil (Mil), Saturday, 4 March 2006 01:06 (twenty years ago)

kinugasa made another silent "expressionist" film, "crossroads," which played in europe in the 1920s and got some raves. i believe the only extant prints are from its european run.

kinugasa kept directing films through the 1950s. one of his 1950s films--"gate of hell"--made a major international splash though it's not as highly regarded now. this film should be easy to find on vhs. the others--there's an american vhs bootleg of "page of madness" that's mediocre (although in fairness all the prints in europe and america are mediocre as well). i wouldn't know where you'd find his other films.

before moving into film directing, kinugasa was a female-impersonating kabuki actor.

***

"chapayev" was the model socialist-realism (ahem Stalinist realism) film, in fact. it's actually not a bad film at all. apparenly it was broadcast incessantly on soviet tv until the soviet union went kaput. so, many generations are intimately familiar with this film. which i should add, is not silent. most major socialist realist films are available on video in russia, but not anywhere else. understandly most russians have little interest in seeing these films and probably guess that nobody else would be interested either.

kozintsev and trauberg...i've seen only "new babylon" which is amazing. would like to see others.

amateurist0, Saturday, 4 March 2006 02:38 (twenty years ago)

I watched Stalker in slow motion (1/2 speed) last week, so it was silent.

shieldforyoureyes, Saturday, 4 March 2006 03:27 (twenty years ago)

sounds like you have a broken vcr, my friend.

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Monday, 6 March 2006 10:32 (twenty years ago)

I have to admit that I rarely find silent movie streams on youtube.com or downloads from archive.org very unsatisfying from a variety of perspectives: dubious sources, compressed files, teeny-weeny images.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 13 March 2006 04:18 (twenty years ago)

On the other hand...it is kinda useful to be able to point to an ready-to-go online source for The Mystery Of The Leaping Fish as it's a good talking-point for certain kinds of silent-movie doubters (even if it's hardly any good -- it's like a middling Channel 101 flick circa 1916).

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 13 March 2006 04:26 (twenty years ago)

Quality wise, Lot in Sodom is the pick of the bunch there. (27 minutes at 350 meg, looks fine in full-screen.) The others are hit and miss, but are still of interest if they are difficult to find elsewhere.

hellsarse (hellsarse), Monday, 13 March 2006 04:46 (twenty years ago)

daddino did you get the charley chase dvds?

amateurist0, Monday, 13 March 2006 06:14 (twenty years ago)

The Insects' Christmas (Wladyslaw Starewicz, 1913). Clever stop-motion. 6 mins

hellsarse (hellsarse), Monday, 13 March 2006 06:45 (twenty years ago)

Nah, but they're on my NetFlix queue.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 13 March 2006 12:40 (twenty years ago)

i like the silent movie.

jeffrey (johnson), Monday, 13 March 2006 18:20 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
You asked for it, New York; MoMA presents

Rediscovering Roscoe: The Careers of "Fatty" Arbuckle

http://moma.org/exhibitions/film_media/2006/Fatty_Arbuckle.html


(A friend co-curated this, so consider it slapstick spam.)


http://www.sfgate.com/traveler/postcards/arbuckle.jpg

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 17 April 2006 15:49 (twenty years ago)

cool stuff!

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 15:52 (twenty years ago)

can someone subsidize a move to new york for me please

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 15:53 (twenty years ago)

Restoring Fatty Arbuckle's Tarnished Reputation at MoMa
By DAVE KEHR


When Roscoe (Fatty) Arbuckle checked into the St. Francis Hotel in San Francisco for a Labor Day weekend of rest and recreation in September 1921, he was one of the most celebrated and beloved comedians in America. One week later, he was a pariah. On Sept. 11, Arbuckle was arrested for the rape and murder of Virginia Rappé, a 28-year-old actress who passed out during a party in Arbuckle's suite and died a few days later of peritonitis.

It mattered little that Arbuckle was subsequently cleared of all charges. That did not stop Will Hays, the first president of the organization that later became the Motion Picture Association of America, from issuing a ban on Arbuckle's films.

Although the ban was eventually lifted, the black mark against Arbuckle's name remained. Unable to work under his own name, he spent the balance of the 1920's directing shorts (and a pair of important features) for other comedians. Not until the early 30's did he appear on screen again, in a series of short films for Warner Brothers. The shorts were successful, and Arbuckle was celebrating the signing of a new contract when he died of heart failure in New York City on June 29, 1933. He was 46 years old.

Someday it may be possible to write an article about Roscoe Arbuckle without mentioning the scandal that destroyed his career. If that day comes, it will be because of the work of Arbuckle buffs like William Hunt and Paul E. Gierucki, who put together the indispensable four-DVD collection "The Forgotten Films of Roscoe (Fatty) Arbuckle" (www.mackinacmedia.com), and to Ron Magliozzi, Steve Massa and Ben Model, who programmed the monthlong series "Rediscovering Roscoe: The Careers of (Fatty) Arbuckle," which begins Thursday at the Museum of Modern Art.

Before sound, when movie actors had to state their personalities through a unique physical presence, Arbuckle looked like a sketch out of the Sunday funnies: the large, almost perfectly round head, bisected by a wide mouth that could leer or grin or lustily devour, perched atop an almost equally round body, the spherical qualities of the ensemble accentuated by a bowler hat. He was a large man, but not markedly obese. For all his bulk he was fast and graceful of movement, and many of the jokes in the early Keystone films — he started at Mack Sennett's pioneering comedy studio in 1913, after a career in vaudeville — depend on Arbuckle's surprising agility, as he ducks and dives and dashes to avoid the grasp of a pursuing policeman or the wrath of a jealous wife.

As seen on film, Arbuckle's build is that of both an overgrown infant and an adult sensualist, and he often shifts between the two connotations of his appearance for rich comic effect. He may approach a woman as an awkward, ungainly child, only to shoot a sudden look at the audience that bespeaks a happy, uninhibited lechery — an ambiguity that probably contributed to his image problems when his trial came up. He is also, like Chaplin and several other comedians of his age, an enthusiastic cross-dresser; with his corpulence poured into one of the tentlike bathing suits of the period, he could pass for a curvaceous Victorian woman of the sort only then going out of style. So convincing was Arbuckle as a woman that he made several shorts — "Miss Fatty's Seaside Lovers" is one, playing on Friday's program — in which he plays a female character, with no drag alibi involved.

A leering country bumpkin with barnyard manners and a libido to match in the early films, Arbuckle's character grew in complexity once he escaped the direct influence of Sennett, moving his unit in 1915 from California to Fort Lee, N.J., where he could make his own films with little interference. Films like "That Little Band of Gold" (1915) and "He Did and He Didn't" (1916) find Arbuckle moving away from Sennett's frenetic slapstick into a sophisticated comedy of sexual temptation and spousal envy. In the remarkable "He Did and He Didn't" (also playing on Friday), Arbuckle is a respected professional, a doctor who looks quite handsome in his tuxedo as he tries to cope with a flirtation between his wife (Mabel Normand, his frequent screen partner) and one of her old flames. The surreal climax, worthy of Philip K. Dick, reveals that the two rivals turn out to be sharing the same dream.

Arbuckle's richest period came after he left Sennett for the producer Joseph Schenck, who set him up with his own company, Comique. "The Butcher Boy," the first film under the new contract, introduced a new supporting player, Buster Keaton — an old acquaintance of Arbuckle's from the vaudeville circuit. The Keaton of the Comique shorts (there are two full programs of them at MoMA, on Saturday at 6 and 8 p.m.) is not the Great Stone Face of his later work, but a little demon of destruction who sets elaborate traps for Arbuckle and roars with laughter when he falls into them.

As brilliantly kinetic as the Comique shorts are, Arbuckle's character is essentially one-dimensional: the mischief maker who undermines everyone and everything, winking at the audience as he mounts ever greater outrages to human dignity. But when Paramount, the distributor of the Comique shorts, decided to move him into features, Arbuckle needed to add some depth to his screen character. He did so by looking to his old friend Chaplin and drawing pathos into his work.

In "The Round-Up", his first feature (next Sunday at 2 p.m.), Arbuckle is a sheriff in a small Western town whose magical fast draw goes unappreciated by the pretty young woman he has a crush on. "Nobody loves a fat man," reads the film's final intertitle, as Arbuckle lays his head down on a fence post, the picture of neglect and despair.

After the scandal, Arbuckle adopted his father's name, William Goodrich, as his pseudonym for a series of short films for which he served as director and gag man. Working with comics like Al St. John (Arbuckle's nephew, and a colleague since the Keystone days), Lloyd Hamilton and Lupino Lane, he created some highly enjoyable work in the middle to late 20's, all the more impressive for what he must have been going through emotionally at the time. His loyal friend Keaton hired him to direct "Sherlock, Jr." (1925), though apparently the strain of feature work was too much for him and he dropped out of the project. But he ended the 20's with two features: "The Red Mill" (1927), an adaptation of the Victor Herbert operetta starring Marion Davies, and "Special Delivery" (also 1927), a lively vehicle for a young Eddie Cantor, which will receive a rare screening on April 27.

One of the best of the late Warner Brothers shorts, "Buzzin' Around" (1933), which will be shown in the introductory program on Thursday at 6 p.m., reveals an Arbuckle who seems almost his old self, with a soft but sympathetic speaking voice that suggested he would have little trouble making the transition to sound. Arbuckle's fans have taken solace in the fact that he died the night his Warner contract was renewed. However he had spent the last 12 years of his life, he had finally regained the respect of the industry that had expelled him, and the affection of the audience that had turned on him so violently. In the end, some people did love that fat man; after the MoMA series, a few more may love him as well.


Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 17 April 2006 16:04 (twenty years ago)

four weeks pass...
last night of the Fatty retro :(

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 15 May 2006 18:26 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/cinema/features/silent-cinema-season.shtml

goddamnit, i paid money to see 'a cottage on dartmoor' just a couple months ago.

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 07:15 (twenty years ago)

I just ordered a big pile of DVDs from Amazon, including...
A bunch (all?) of silent pre-Judy-Garland-version Oz movie adaptations!
Both silent versions of Student of Prague (1913 & 1927)
Faust

shieldforyoureyes (shieldforyoureyes), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:05 (twenty years ago)

the Oz w/ Oliver Hardy as the Tin Man is VERY strange.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:34 (twenty years ago)

I saw something at the video store that looked interesting that has apparently just come out on DVD- something from Mauritz Stiller called Sir Arnes Treasure.

Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:47 (twenty years ago)

One of the interesting things about the 190x films is the transition
from vaudeville to movies. Most of those really early films are just
theater productions, with a single camera planted front & center.

shieldforyoureyes (shieldforyoureyes), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:02 (twenty years ago)

That Mauritz Stiller DVD isn't supposed to be on the shelf yet! I know, 'cause I have a different one -- Erotikon -- that I'm writing on today and it streets next Tuesday. (Erotikon, by the way, is pretty creaky but still randy enough to seem datedly modern.)

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:08 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I just saw that. Maybe I just saw a poster for it.

Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:18 (twenty years ago)


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