― Emma, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Disco Dave, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Geoff, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
***Hence off-spin and leg-spin (also off-break and leg-break), which bounce on the respective side of the batsman***.
It doesn't make any difference where they bounce - it's the direction the ball goes AFTER it has bounced which gives rise to the terms off- spin and leg-spin.
**Swing = when fast bowler spins the ball hard and it moves in the air***
The bowler doesn't SPIN it. Instead the seam is placed so that it is pointing to slip (out-swing) or fine-leg (in-swing). The best chance of getting swing is to use the fingers and wrist to keep the seam in that position when it goes thru the air. (It may move off the pitch in the same direction if the seam hits). The bowler can also influence this by the position of the front foot and by sweeping the bowling hand down the correct side of the body AFTER the ball has gone. If the seam wobbles in the air, you've less chance of knowing which way, and how much it will move (both in the air and off the pitch).
Reverse swing is when you go for outswing, but at the last minute the ball darts in towards leg after 'shaping' to go off-side. I've get to see a convincing explanation of HOW it's done, but it's a bastard to play!
― Dr. C, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Richard Tunnicliffe, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
To get around to the answer, Tracer, most bowlers do not get any appreciable swing - even if they follow the textbook. There seems to be something about swing bowlers actions which is not entirely coachable, whereas most people can get some movement off the pitch (seam-bowlng).
Occasionally even the best swing bowlers findthey can't control the amount of swing and get TOO MUCH movement so that the batsman doesn't need to play the ball.
If you really wnat to get wierd about bowling we can talk about leg- spin, where the top bowlers have several viciousl spinning deliveries which are bowled with slightly different actions. Some spin one way, some the other, some keep low, some go straight on and some are bowled with lots of disguise to look like one of the other deliveries. It's bluff and double-bluff.
― anthony, Saturday, 29 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
It is an almost magical combination of the use of rare skill and athleticism, aerodynamics, and exploiting natural phenomena.
It requires humidity to create a more dense air mass, and for the ball to be buffed to a shine ON ONE SIDE OF THE SEAM ONLY.
When the ball is bowled with the upright seam and the extra spin along the axis through the seam imparted by the bowler's index and middle fingers along it, with a smooth,shiny ball face one side and an unrestored mucky one that creates more friction, for the same reasons planes fly, the ball swings to one side in the thicker air.
It usually also dips sharply, sometimes VERY sharply, and the extra energy this generates gives it tremendous bounce off the pitch, while the combination of the seam hitting the pitch, at an angle created by the bowler, affected by the other forces such as rate of spin, can make that bounce extremely variable in height and direction.
The bowler's action, and precise preparation of one side of the ball, without tampering, and the required air density, are the keys, and it's awesome to watch!
Glen McGrath, Brett Lee and Jason Gillespie are the best exponents of the art.
Cricket - Ballet and War, with Bats and Balls! ...lol
Greetings fellow posters. Nice to see so many erudite, informed individuals.
The US also has hundreds of cricket teams, and must surely be on the verge of entering a team in even a one-day match? That would be great.
Today in OZ I predict the Aussie batsmen will be smashing the world record for a final innings to defeat New Zealand...their form says they'll do it, but either way it will be FUN!!!!!!!!
Thanks for sharing an interest in cricket.
― Brett Fielding, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 24 May 2003 14:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 24 May 2003 14:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mark C (Mark C), Saturday, 24 May 2003 16:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― chris (chris), Saturday, 24 May 2003 19:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
― darren (darren), Sunday, 25 May 2003 12:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
No, I'm not complaining. But the conditions would have been perfect for him on the first couple of days. It's a shame, he's almost 29 and for reasons of family pride I want him to get a decent stab at it.
― Mark C (Mark C), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 25 May 2003 16:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
of course, the cute new zealand bowler made watching like 10 hours of cricket so much more interesting:http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2002/sep/23vet.jpg
― phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 26 May 2003 16:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Friday, 22 September 2006 15:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― Am I Re-elected Yet? (Dada), Friday, 22 September 2006 15:31 (seventeen years ago) link
1) Notts failed to get more than ONE bonus point from their game2) Yorkshire and Durham drew3) Durham got maximum batting points.
Astonishingly, 1) and 3) have already come true, and 2) looks to be very much on the cards barring an absolute mare for Durham tomorrow.
Notts would have got the 2 bonus points by taking 7 or more Sussex wickets inside 130 overs, an occurrence which happens in almost every single Championship game. With an abysmal bowling display, they took just 6, accruing one point.
Notts would then have got the 1 further point they needed by scoring only 200 runs in their own first innings. Sussex had scored 550-odd for 6, so the pitch would seem to have been ideally suited to this.
They crumbled from 130-2 to 165 all out.
One of the biggest chokes in recent British sporting history?
(P.S. I'm a Worcs fan)
― Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Friday, 22 September 2006 15:37 (seventeen years ago) link
anyone following the test in hamilton?
― whatever, Saturday, 8 March 2008 22:36 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah, thought so.
― whatever, Saturday, 8 March 2008 23:11 (sixteen years ago) link
me, but its a bit of a foregone conclusion now innit
― Herman G. Neuname, Saturday, 8 March 2008 23:18 (sixteen years ago) link
just looked at the scorecard at lunch. 36/4 from 18 overs. the scores of cook and vaughan total 22 runs from 33 balls, which means the rest of the sorry crew have made 12 runs from just under 13 overs. A run an over???
fraser's comments are spot on: england would never have declared as vettori did. they'd have waited until about 3 balls before tea, just in case mccullum hit 50 sixes in a row.
― whatever, Sunday, 9 March 2008 00:02 (sixteen years ago) link
Do colly and bell have the bottle to survive? Better in this situation than KP and co but that doesn't mean anything.
― Herman G. Neuname, Sunday, 9 March 2008 00:09 (sixteen years ago) link
they'll survive for the best part of an hour or so, in the english way. i'd be very surprised if the match goes into the final session, once the spinners get into their ribs and there are 4 or 5 around the bat.
funny how these things cycle. england outclassed at rugby today, being outclassed at cricket in a country where they probably expected to win, and going through transition in football. contrast to a few years ago: rugby world cup holders, ashes winners, rooney breaking into the england team...
― whatever, Sunday, 9 March 2008 00:12 (sixteen years ago) link
Well, as a scotsman I enjoyed the rugby at least :) The cricket was sadly more predictable.
― Herman G. Neuname, Sunday, 9 March 2008 00:20 (sixteen years ago) link
As a working class Englishman living oop North I enjoyed the rugby.
― Noodle Vague, Sunday, 9 March 2008 00:21 (sixteen years ago) link
You enjoy England getting beat at anything, Jim.
― Herman G. Neuname, Sunday, 9 March 2008 00:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Nah, the cricket is painful. But they've lost the plot big time, and I'm not a fan of Vaughan nowadays.
― Noodle Vague, Sunday, 9 March 2008 00:25 (sixteen years ago) link
explain the class ref?
― whatever, Sunday, 9 March 2008 00:30 (sixteen years ago) link
as in, how it is important in terms of the sport?
in the meantime, collingwood: 0 runs, 30 balls. should be zero balls, no fkg fight.
― whatever, Sunday, 9 March 2008 00:32 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't care for Rugby Union cos I've too many hoorays are into it. In fact Guscott came out with a classic bit of twattery midweek when they dropped that dude for going clubbing - he said something along the lines of that behaviour not being good enough for Rugby players, but you'd expect it of footballers. Cock.
― Noodle Vague, Sunday, 9 March 2008 00:36 (sixteen years ago) link
"cos I've known too many hoorays who are into it", I mean.
fairdos. i'm not a hooray, or a northerner (altho i live in mcr), but i like both codes but prefer union. i think i like contested scrums more than uncontested. but i like the rigidity of fixed numbers of tackles in league, although that leads to a sterility in terms of lack of depth of player size/beef/athleticism. league is homogenised rugby, union still has the cream separated at the top of the bottle.
just getting at: why is rugby cursed with class? football isn't (although the moneyed types are trying to make it that way).
― whatever, Sunday, 9 March 2008 00:41 (sixteen years ago) link
League is nothing in Scotland. We like Union.
― Herman G. Neuname, Sunday, 9 March 2008 00:43 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't think Union is a class signifier outside of England, hardly. I don't dislike watching Union matches, tho I far prefer League which to me is a way faster, more beautiful game to watch. I just hate the England team and their smug, Daily Mail reading, management book co-writing players.
― Noodle Vague, Sunday, 9 March 2008 00:46 (sixteen years ago) link
Oh i dunno, lots of posh people play rugby. But when it comes to the national team no-one cares as if they can beat England then it's good enough for them. It was one of the few sports we were good at.
― Herman G. Neuname, Sunday, 9 March 2008 00:52 (sixteen years ago) link
collingwood's gone. 2 runs from 50 balls.
― whatever, Sunday, 9 March 2008 00:55 (sixteen years ago) link
Collingwood lbw Vettori 2 (Eng 59-5) xpost
― Herman G. Neuname, Sunday, 9 March 2008 00:56 (sixteen years ago) link
i know, it's just i'm not smug and don't read the daily mail, but i prefer union etc etc. talking to my wife's uncle in keighley the other day, he used to report on league for the local papers. an avowed league man, had ended up watching the england france union game a couple of weeks ago. "and that constant rucking at the end of the game, that leaves me cold", whereas there was me feeling england had ground out the victory.
― whatever, Sunday, 9 March 2008 00:57 (sixteen years ago) link
herman, i think what fuels english union fans is the knowledge that all the other home/euro nations have made their season if they stuff the english. it makes me (as an england supporter) feel like a man utd supporter (which i bloody ain't). but when it got to the last 10 minutes in murrayfield today i had to go to the kitchen to start cooking the kids' steaks. that horrible, hollow feeling.
― whatever, Sunday, 9 March 2008 01:00 (sixteen years ago) link
No fucking chance of england grounding out anything in cricket. I should've learned by now really, yet I put myself through it all the time. The ashes is such a distant memory now. x-post
― Herman G. Neuname, Sunday, 9 March 2008 01:01 (sixteen years ago) link
(Eng 60-7)
― Herman G. Neuname, Sunday, 9 March 2008 01:02 (sixteen years ago) link
and xxxxxpost, no posh people play league.
i can't get over uncontested scrums: if you don't contest them why bother locking down? why not just have a tap free kick with the opposition having to be 5 yards?
― whatever, Sunday, 9 March 2008 01:02 (sixteen years ago) link
The last time a racist autocrat got shown up at an international sporting event he invaded Poland so don’t celebrate too quickly
― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Monday, 20 November 2023 16:43 (ten months ago) link
Modi may content himself with extinguishing the 50 over format through the BCCI
― The narrative of arthur gordon pimp of nantucket (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 20 November 2023 18:16 (ten months ago) link
India just contrived to lose their last 6 wickets for 0 runs in 11 balls
― Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 14:00 (eight months ago) link
20 wickets in the day so far
WDYBL
Hey @englandcricket,We have heard you need a spinner to keep Yashavi Jaiswal quiet. Let me introduce you to Louis Jagger.DM for more info.Regards,OCs pic.twitter.com/5vmII9xAte— Old Colfeians CC (@OldColfeiansCC) January 25, 2024
― imago, Thursday, 25 January 2024 11:01 (seven months ago) link
Shamar fucking Joseph :)
― imago, Sunday, 28 January 2024 07:29 (seven months ago) link
That was pretty awesome
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 28 January 2024 08:25 (seven months ago) link
In other news, Eng are gonna win
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 28 January 2024 09:55 (seven months ago) link
India got a partnership going. 70 runs or 3 wkts
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 28 January 2024 11:19 (seven months ago) link
Wicket. They need 54 from the last two wickets.
― Bulky Pee Pants (Tom D.), Sunday, 28 January 2024 11:26 (seven months ago) link
Hartley has taken 5.
6. 1 left
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 28 January 2024 11:39 (seven months ago) link
30 to win.
― Bulky Pee Pants (Tom D.), Sunday, 28 January 2024 11:59 (seven months ago) link
Seems to be the day for 7 wicket hauls!
― Bulky Pee Pants (Tom D.), Sunday, 28 January 2024 12:01 (seven months ago) link
Done it. By 29 runs
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 28 January 2024 12:02 (seven months ago) link
Test cricket, emerging from the morass yet again
― imago, Sunday, 28 January 2024 12:29 (seven months ago) link
Great as that was, honestly, find highlights of Joseph earlier, that was utterly sensational
Pope the point of difference in this game obv, an innings from another planet
― imago, Sunday, 28 January 2024 12:30 (seven months ago) link
two extraordinary results. shamar joseph - woke up early this morning and was following the obo and catching clips on twitter and it was delightful and electrifying. and the ongoing mysterious ability of england to pull out second innings victories that look impossible in the first is… well it’s baffling how many times they’ve managed it tbh. what’s the factor at the margin that allows for it. not unreasonable to say stokes but that underdetermines it surely.
― Fizzles, Sunday, 28 January 2024 15:49 (seven months ago) link
its all in the mindset installed in them by coach and captain. Such a huge difference between that and the England we all grew up with.
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Sunday, 28 January 2024 15:54 (seven months ago) link
this from the guardian report is interesting:
Stokes typically made his own telling contribution on the day, with a jaw-dropping direct hit on the dive to run out the dangerous Ravindra Jadeja from wide mid-on and leave his fellow all-rounder hobbling off with a hamstring tweak. But perhaps his biggest impact was the husbandry of Hartley, incredibly the third spinner under his watch after Will Jacks and Rehan Ahmed last winter to start his Test career with a five-wicket haul.
― Fizzles, Sunday, 28 January 2024 16:06 (seven months ago) link
i wonder how long mccullum will be around
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Sunday, 28 January 2024 16:09 (seven months ago) link
cunt team managed by cunts plays like cunts idk maybe i'm missing something
― wang mang band (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 17 February 2024 07:25 (seven months ago) link
Somebody just tried to explain cricket to me and they pulled this insane graphic up. There's no way this is real. Be serious. pic.twitter.com/xEAxdFfbV1— Hispanic Shaun King (@okimstillhungry) February 15, 2024
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 17 February 2024 08:01 (seven months ago) link
Me sowing: Haha fuck yeah!!! Yes!! Me reaping: Well this fucking sucks. What the fuck. pic.twitter.com/xKs600BjNp— DAISY CUTTER (@daisycutterzine) February 17, 2024
lol
― ShariVari, Saturday, 17 February 2024 10:21 (seven months ago) link
Beautiful
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 17 February 2024 10:58 (seven months ago) link
Very funny
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 18 February 2024 10:47 (seven months ago) link
Classic England
― The British Boy of Film Classification (Tom D.), Sunday, 18 February 2024 11:23 (seven months ago) link
well done Ireland, their first victory in Tests!
― Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Friday, 1 March 2024 12:35 (six months ago) link
Super over for usa pakistan
― nxd, Thursday, 6 June 2024 19:39 (three months ago) link
Boy that was startling to read!
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 June 2024 20:19 (three months ago) link
I know West Indies are rubbish but that's quite a test debut.
― Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 July 2024 14:35 (two months ago) link
right, three in four balls too. really good slip catching to support.
― Fizzles, Thursday, 11 July 2024 12:11 (two months ago) link