sexual personae

srsly though anybody who thinks Paglia's a more interesting thinker than Derrida is to be pitied, not engaged

she's less interesting but at least she doesn't come with that fraudulent shit

I want to argue that Derrida's whole point, which he picks up from De Man, is that you're coming with fraudulent shit whether you admit it or not, but I doubt that thirteen years past graduation my chops are up to snuff on this one

Mordy, cmon, you have not. You'd know better. Passenger, I attack Derrida's worldview, not him, therefore, no ad hominem, which is precisely what you do do by calling Sokal "super-obtuse", "stupid" and a "troll". See how Derrida throws his readers in a world of bad logic and contradiction?

Unfortunately, I have read professionally Lacan, Derrida, Deleuze, Roland Barthes and others of the same ilk. The difference is: I never took their ramblings at face value and I didn't content myself on reading just these outdated slaves of structure with their lack of center or sense.

I'm going, if you have any questions I refer you to my alter ego i know right.

let's talk about actual sexual personae.

read professionally

you do books on tape?

Vision, Sokal quite literally made whatever bones he's made by trolling Social Text. How is that ad hominem?

Derrida's methodological con games, deliberate misreadings and convoluted/mystifying style are present everywhere in his work like a virus.

i think derrida would call this a pretty accurate description, as these things go

I want to argue that Derrida's whole point, which he picks up from De Man, is that you're coming with fraudulent shit whether you admit it or not, but I doubt that thirteen years past graduation my chops are up to snuff on this one

It's maybe even gentler than that...

axiom: structure [always already] > speaker, corollaries follow

i think derrida would call this a pretty accurate description, as these things go

dunno... he's not really that convoluted/mystifying in French... it's usually the translation that's nasty

Certainly the one book I looked at (Spurs, which was published in a bilingual edition) is indeed horribly and confusingly translated.

that bilingual edition of spurs is a notoriously bad translation

the other published translation is good enough to see his point (lol) but not great

that is a hella dope essay btw

Mordy, cmon, you have not. You'd know better. Passenger, I attack Derrida's worldview, not him, therefore, no ad hominem, which is precisely what you do do by calling Sokal "super-obtuse", "stupid" and a "troll". See how Derrida throws his readers in a world of bad logic and contradiction?

just want to point out that the guy who claims intimate acquaintance with the great thinkers of our time is using the term "worldview" in describing their ideas, "worldview" being righty dogwhistle for "suspect ideology"

xpost I can't read French but if I ever read Derrida and didn't have to slow down to flesh out what he was saying, I'd feel cheated

Oh good.

Whoever translated Mal d'archive did fine. Or, at least, it read fine.

Also, I was thinking about this thread earlier today. Because I saw a guy who looked like IK,R? on the subway. Except this guy was older and taller and a little less scruffy.

The concept of "misreading" is fascinating. You can't misread a text, you can only disagree with someone else's reading of a text. But you can misunderstand someone you're taking to.

Most of what Derrida says is in Augustine, anyways.

Most of what Derrida says is in Augustine, anyways.

a line likes this counts as flirting in my neighborhood

Mordy, there's no way you read Paglia, because if you had you wouldn't disagree with me!

"If you had read her you would believe that she is right about everything."

J0hn: Oh, mine too.

Someone sent me a collection of horrible puns. My friend said, "does he realize that's foreplay to you"?

That's not relevant, unless it is? I'm writing a paper about epistemology and puns in the middle ages. I am thinking a bit about Augustine and Derrida. But mostly about sweet sweet Isidore.

All of them are more funsies than Paglia, who seems to think that Obama's birth certificate issue was actually the sort of thing that should disqualify someone from being president, whereas -- well, I didn't read the article, but I assume she thinks Palin's rape kit ploy is laudable? Kooky fun, that!

ps most of what Derrida says is in Nagarjuna, anyways

more like most of what derrida says is in marijuana, am i right

Paglian

;)

I am being told that the rape kit thing is shakier than I had realized! Well, well. Perhaps we all misjudged Palin. Or not.

Great, I overslept thanks to this shit. This throws my schedule right off by the way.

She had a little bit more responsibility than a community organizer, so as a decider who had already dropped one sheriff for cause, she can be held accountable for what the next sheriff publicly did under her direct command. not shaky at all.

And if you lose control of your barn yard animals I will not stop and help you corral them. You are a grown stable lady and you will handle your livestock or suffer the consequences. I will also accept no derision from the hired help on this matter.

wait scruffy?

Free advice: this thread is great reading if you imagine Vision as The Vision from the Avengers.

I don't know if that sounds like a neighborhood I'd want to live in or not.

This really is the best opening two posts on ILX ever, plus hottt troll action! What in the world is better? Besides Camille Paglia's incredible geniusosity, I mean. (OK, Elizabeth Wurtzel. Nothing else.)

"Less scruffy" in that his beard and hair were more carefully trimmed and set than yours, as if he were headed off to an office job where such things were important.

http://kbs.cs.tu-berlin.de/~jutta/cpc/pag-astr.html

Something is happening. It's a twenty-year astrological cycle that happened.

LOL

Did we ever get Randroid confirmation on Vision?

That barking mad sound you hear isn't the true call of the Objectivist. No, it's some dude in the tall grass in camo with a .22.

Huh. Makes sense re Paglia and astrology. Big sweeping jungian bullshit.

Say kids, what time is it?
It's Camille Paglia Time!

(It's Camille Paglia Time,
It's Camille Paglia Time!)

http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2008/12/10/hillary_mumbai/

Meanwhile, Sarah Palin's rehabilitation has been well launched. Step by step over the past five weeks since the election, headlines about Palin in the mainstream media and some Web news sites have become more neutral and even laudatory, signifying that a shift toward reality is already at hand. My confidence about Palin's political future continues, as does my disgust at the provincial snobbery and amoral trashing of her reputation by the media and liberal elite, along with some conservative insiders.

You guys know the drill. Paste the funniest moments in her column, mock her, and then, when Vision inevitably enters the thread, listen to him berate us for not taking this "brilliant" woman seriously enough.

You're really doing this, aren't you?

(I can't see what you are doing there)

Vision baiting

http://www.gothic.org.au/forum/images/smilies/popcorn.gif

So ridiculous:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2009/05/13/7_days_in_may/index.html

i'd pull out quotes, but the whole thing is idiotic. The basic thrust is that Paglia thinks right-wing radio has gone a tad bit over the top and she's slightly disappointed.

Here, here's one quote:

"The degree to which Obama is or is not a stealth socialist remains to be seen."

Here's another:

"Well, the one-year anniversary is approaching in late May of my slide lecture ("Varieties of the Erotic in 20th Century Art") at the Teatro Castro Alves in Salvador da Bahia, Brazil"

Whenever I've read her, starting all those years ago, I could never tell if she was joking or not - I still can't.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2009/07/08/reader_letters/

Callers coming fresh from her rallies are always heady with infectious enthusiasm.

Of course you'd never know that from reading hit jobs like Todd Purdum's sepulchral piece on Palin in the current Vanity Fair. Scurrying around Alaska with his notepad, Purdum still managed to find comically little to indict her with. Anyone with a gripe is given the floor; fans are shut out. This exercise in faux objectivity is exposed at key points such as Purdum's failure to identify the actual instigator of Palin's extravagant clothing bills (a crazed, credit-card-abusing stylist appointed by the McCain campaign) and his prissy characterization of Palin's performance at the vice-presidential debate as merely "adequate." Hey, wake up -- Palin cleaned Biden's clock! By the end, Biden was sighing and itching to split.

Whether Palin has a national future or not will depend on her willingness to hit the books at some point and absorb more information about international history and politics than she has needed to know in her role as governor. She also needs a shrewder, cooler take on the mainstream media, with its preening bullies, cackling witches, twisted cynics and pompous windbags. The Northeastern media establishment is in decline, and everyone knows it. Palin should not have gotten into a slanging match with David Letterman or anyone else who has been obsessively defaming her or her family. Let surrogates do that stuff.

Hey, wake up!

god salon is so awful

preening bullies, cackling witches, twisted cynics and pompous windbags

hmmm who does this remind me of...

The Beatles?

"Ringo was always the preening one."