sexual personae

Wait, what just happened?

Who's gabbneb?

I know, right?

gabbneb just sows loathing and misery wherever he appears.

???

Well? Shall we go? Yes, let's go.

Passenger, Derrida's methodological con games, deliberate misreadings and convoluted/mystifying style are present everywhere in his work like a virus. The only thing being deconstructed if you take this guy for his word is your own common sense. Besides Paglia, I recommend the Sokal/Bricmont book and Merquior's "From Prague to Paris".

i know right, not just that, you are Vision's sockpuppet. Whenever people talk to you, it's actually me on the other side. max, I don't text (I really don't).

Mordy, sorry, you have not. You think you did, perhaps out of intellectual vanity, but how can you offer a counterargument to an author you clearly have not read? Paglia is not the Salon column, Paglia is "Sexual Personae".

Shakey, whenever they select a bibliography, they're doing just that- telling you what to read and what not to read. Also, you never had teachers try to attack certain authors in class? Were you self-schooled or something?

this thread looks like a lotta fun, i gotta say

DUDE READ MY FUCKING COMMENTS: I HAVE READ ALL OF SEXUAL PERSONAE.

don't you mean I HAVE READ ALL THIS SEXUAL PERSONAE

So a reading list is actually compiled to specifically exclude all books not on it?

Hey kiddo, I've read all of Sexual Personae.

― Mordy, Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:51 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

If you can't even read this thread, how can we believe you've read anything?

gabbneb, I don't know who you are but I have not understood one comment you've made on this thread even a tiny amount.

gabbneb is the misanthropic House of ILX.

Vision, ad hominem attack =/= argument - you've called Derrida a bunch of names but have come up with exactly jack shit to back it up. I'm beginning to wonder if you've even read Derrida.

ps sometimes it's hard to figure out whether sokal's, like, super-obtuse or just stupid. because he should have been a really fun troll but failed due to sheer witlessness

I'll say this now, I've never read Derrida or Lacan. I've read other stuff, but I'm not gonna pretend I've read things I haven't. You wanna join me Vision? Its easier not to lie all the time.

People will love you for the real you, I swear!

gotta really love that "Derrida doesn't actually deconstruct" line - comedy gold in that particular hill

Here's another madlibs for Vision:

Derrida wrote {.....}. It is a con game because {.....}.

That's an actual argument dude. Not your vague nonsense.

http://www.haverodwilltravel.com/images/Trolling%202.jpg

Shocking. The Corner loves Paglia: http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZmIyMmU2Mzg2NjAxNTFkMDA0NDZiMThjMTIwM2EwODI=

Derrida wrote Of Grammatology. It is a con game because it's not popcrit like Paglia, who watches the same TV shows as us.

gabbneb is the misanthropic House of ILX.

you say that like it's an insult

srsly though anybody who thinks Paglia's a more interesting thinker than Derrida is to be pitied, not engaged

she's less interesting but at least she doesn't come with that fraudulent shit

I want to argue that Derrida's whole point, which he picks up from De Man, is that you're coming with fraudulent shit whether you admit it or not, but I doubt that thirteen years past graduation my chops are up to snuff on this one

Mordy, cmon, you have not. You'd know better. Passenger, I attack Derrida's worldview, not him, therefore, no ad hominem, which is precisely what you do do by calling Sokal "super-obtuse", "stupid" and a "troll". See how Derrida throws his readers in a world of bad logic and contradiction?

Unfortunately, I have read professionally Lacan, Derrida, Deleuze, Roland Barthes and others of the same ilk. The difference is: I never took their ramblings at face value and I didn't content myself on reading just these outdated slaves of structure with their lack of center or sense.

I'm going, if you have any questions I refer you to my alter ego i know right.

let's talk about actual sexual personae.

read professionally

you do books on tape?

Vision, Sokal quite literally made whatever bones he's made by trolling Social Text. How is that ad hominem?

Derrida's methodological con games, deliberate misreadings and convoluted/mystifying style are present everywhere in his work like a virus.

i think derrida would call this a pretty accurate description, as these things go

I want to argue that Derrida's whole point, which he picks up from De Man, is that you're coming with fraudulent shit whether you admit it or not, but I doubt that thirteen years past graduation my chops are up to snuff on this one

It's maybe even gentler than that...

axiom: structure [always already] > speaker, corollaries follow

i think derrida would call this a pretty accurate description, as these things go

dunno... he's not really that convoluted/mystifying in French... it's usually the translation that's nasty

Certainly the one book I looked at (Spurs, which was published in a bilingual edition) is indeed horribly and confusingly translated.

that bilingual edition of spurs is a notoriously bad translation

the other published translation is good enough to see his point (lol) but not great

that is a hella dope essay btw

Mordy, cmon, you have not. You'd know better. Passenger, I attack Derrida's worldview, not him, therefore, no ad hominem, which is precisely what you do do by calling Sokal "super-obtuse", "stupid" and a "troll". See how Derrida throws his readers in a world of bad logic and contradiction?

just want to point out that the guy who claims intimate acquaintance with the great thinkers of our time is using the term "worldview" in describing their ideas, "worldview" being righty dogwhistle for "suspect ideology"

xpost I can't read French but if I ever read Derrida and didn't have to slow down to flesh out what he was saying, I'd feel cheated

Oh good.

Whoever translated Mal d'archive did fine. Or, at least, it read fine.

Also, I was thinking about this thread earlier today. Because I saw a guy who looked like IK,R? on the subway. Except this guy was older and taller and a little less scruffy.

The concept of "misreading" is fascinating. You can't misread a text, you can only disagree with someone else's reading of a text. But you can misunderstand someone you're taking to.

Most of what Derrida says is in Augustine, anyways.

Most of what Derrida says is in Augustine, anyways.

a line likes this counts as flirting in my neighborhood

Mordy, there's no way you read Paglia, because if you had you wouldn't disagree with me!

"If you had read her you would believe that she is right about everything."

J0hn: Oh, mine too.

Someone sent me a collection of horrible puns. My friend said, "does he realize that's foreplay to you"?

That's not relevant, unless it is? I'm writing a paper about epistemology and puns in the middle ages. I am thinking a bit about Augustine and Derrida. But mostly about sweet sweet Isidore.

All of them are more funsies than Paglia, who seems to think that Obama's birth certificate issue was actually the sort of thing that should disqualify someone from being president, whereas -- well, I didn't read the article, but I assume she thinks Palin's rape kit ploy is laudable? Kooky fun, that!

ps most of what Derrida says is in Nagarjuna, anyways

more like most of what derrida says is in marijuana, am i right

Paglian

;)

I am being told that the rape kit thing is shakier than I had realized! Well, well. Perhaps we all misjudged Palin. Or not.

Great, I overslept thanks to this shit. This throws my schedule right off by the way.

She had a little bit more responsibility than a community organizer, so as a decider who had already dropped one sheriff for cause, she can be held accountable for what the next sheriff publicly did under her direct command. not shaky at all.

And if you lose control of your barn yard animals I will not stop and help you corral them. You are a grown stable lady and you will handle your livestock or suffer the consequences. I will also accept no derision from the hired help on this matter.