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Of course, it's predictable that he would pick the Adorno's book that has the questionable homophobic slurs in it.

Mordy, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:35 (seventeen years ago)

Vision knows what we've read, what classes we've take, when we're sleeping, when we're awake

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:35 (seventeen years ago)

If we've been bad or good?

I know, right?, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:35 (seventeen years ago)

He knows the bias of a syllabus from 2000000000 yards!

BIG HOOS' macaroni is off the motherfucking chain (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:36 (seventeen years ago)

I propose that Vision has never actually read Sexual Personae.

Mordy, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:37 (seventeen years ago)

Let the library be your teacher is a good line though.

But what about the bias of the library, huh?

I know, right?, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:37 (seventeen years ago)

i know right, I have written like 10 pages of stuff on this thread (which has just now reached that point where people, out of arguments, resort to "you suck", "shut up" etc).

goole, because some things people say betray a level of ignorance which they try to mask or to disingenuously attribute to others. Life is hard in the world of ideas, you must have thick skin. An example: in the book w/the Nabokov/Edmund Wilson correspondence, Nabokov mentions a certain college friend or something like that whose first dissertation started with the following phrase:

"democracy is a latin word"

That statement alone destroyed this guy's reputation forever. And, it must be said, rightly so.

Vision, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:38 (seventeen years ago)

because some things people say betray a level of ignorance which they try to mask or to disingenuously attribute to others.

^^ you don't say

goole, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:38 (seventeen years ago)

Vision, you've never actually made an argument. Not once. And I challenge you to produce a quote that says otherwise.

Mordy, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:38 (seventeen years ago)

But what about the bias of the library, huh?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4147XH95YSL._SL500_AA240_.jpg

Passenger 57 (rogermexico.), Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:39 (seventeen years ago)

Vision, NO YOU HAVEN"T, in fact you're doing what I tried to call you on as a way of avoiding actually saying something AGAIN.

I know, right?, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:39 (seventeen years ago)

NOBODY IS FOOLED

I know, right?, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:39 (seventeen years ago)

There's been a couple of really bad one sentence book reviews....

I know, right?, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:40 (seventeen years ago)

Don't get upset, IK,R? We're all following along. We know he hasn't made a single argument. Those 10 pages he's written are ten pages of fluff.

Mordy, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:41 (seventeen years ago)

Vision don't let these guys bully you into saying something of substance

Uncle Shavedlongcock (max), Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:41 (seventeen years ago)

But maybe he doesn't know what an argument is. I'll help - madlibs style:

Despite saying some things you all disagree with about Sarah Palin, Paglia is actually making an interesting point. This is because her argument that {.....} which you may not have considered because of {.......} shows Palin in a new light. While I admit that textually, Palin can appear to be stupid, if you consider {.......} argument of Paglia's, then that becomes reversed.

Mordy, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:43 (seventeen years ago)

Just fill in the {.....} and you'll be well on your way to making an argument.

Mordy, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:43 (seventeen years ago)

PS vision I'm really really curious what in Derrida's work you find fake or fraudulent.

Passenger 57 (rogermexico.), Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:43 (seventeen years ago)

all the french

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:44 (seventeen years ago)

those french think they're so smart, they have a different word for everything

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:45 (seventeen years ago)

They aren't called French Fries. They are called American fries.

Mordy, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:45 (seventeen years ago)

Freedom fries.

Mordy, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:45 (seventeen years ago)

Paglia fries.

Mordy, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:45 (seventeen years ago)

Mordy, that's ironic, since the essays are more or less self-standing, and Minima Moralia is the entry level Adorno that sums up his analytical slants and his ideas on art and society etc. Adorno was (as german authors usually are) blunt in the way he expressed himself. You can't fully read him retroactively or through a PC lens.

i know right/Mordy, what I say is written, and it seems more than enough to sum up what I think about Paglia. Now, as I said the other day, if you want remedial classes, you should at least know the basics.

Passenger, in the library, you select the bibliography. If you teacher says "nah, don't read Fraser", you can go there, read him and judge for yourself.

max, it's ok, "i know right" is actually my sockpuppet, and I suspect Mordy is actually prof.Paglia under an alias.

Vision, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:46 (seventeen years ago)

She is horribly boring. Her teenage insistence on taking the contrary point to get a rise out of her audience was mildly entertaining when her schtick was new. It's quite not-new now, and her younger self might have known as much, but her older self knows which side the bread's buttered on, so she keeps hauling recycled mothball-stinking crap like "I like Sarah Palin! You people just don't understand!" out and collecting her 3k or so per piece. I do not doubt she's a fine professor; she has that tenacity of focus that can make a semester really adventurous. But continuing to read her thought, which does not grow or find new directions, is like taking the same course every semester for over a decade after you've graduated.

J0hn D., Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:47 (seventeen years ago)

It's true, I am a sockpuppet.

I know, right?, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:47 (seventeen years ago)

Is this the "writing" you're talking about?

Now, some arguments:
-Paglia has a theory of culture (you know, Apollonyan androgynes, Dionysian undercurrents, forces of nature and sexuality shaping culture, gender roles in history, crime, popular culture etc etc); what are you thoughts on it?
-Paglia is very incisive in her statements (hence "verve"); several of her most famous phrases have entered the mainstream debate; what do you have to say about them?
-she also has a very original theory of poetry, going from Sappho to Joni Mitchell and again based on the expression of sexual impulse, among other things; do you think she got it wrong? How?
Because those aren't arguments and I believe I ripped you to shreds the first go around when you tried to offer them as arguments.

Mordy, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:48 (seventeen years ago)

hahah man I hate it when teachers tell me NOT to read things wtf

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:48 (seventeen years ago)

seriously cannot think of a single instance of a professor/teacher saying that to me

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:49 (seventeen years ago)

vision canyou text me again I lost your number...

Uncle Shavedlongcock (max), Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:51 (seventeen years ago)

So it was quiet, quiet, up there in the mountains. It wasn't quiet for long, because when one Jew comes along and meets another, then it's goodbye silence, even in the mountains. Because the Jew and Nature, that's two very different things, as always, even today, even here.

My favorite Celan quote.

Mordy, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:52 (seventeen years ago)

i must not be jewish

gabbneb, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:54 (seventeen years ago)

So, I'm going to bed. Someone email me when Vision makes an argument.

I know, right?, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:55 (seventeen years ago)

vision text me on my personal cell not my work cell k

Uncle Shavedlongcock (max), Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:55 (seventeen years ago)

i must not be jewish

It took you that quote to figure that out?

Mordy, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:56 (seventeen years ago)

Can I just take this moment to share how much pleasure I get from Blanchot?

Passenger 57 (rogermexico.), Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:56 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.coconutstudio.com/Fishing%20Methods%203%20-%20The%20Payaw%20Men_files/Bangsi_troll_bait.jpg

omar little, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:57 (seventeen years ago)

funny how both my mom and dad are

gabbneb, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:57 (seventeen years ago)

so how many people on this thread should be suggest banned? 2 or 3?

gabbneb, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:57 (seventeen years ago)

gabbneb, why don't you go back to one of your politics threads?

Mordy, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:58 (seventeen years ago)

Wait, what just happened?

I know, right?, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:58 (seventeen years ago)

Who's gabbneb?

I know, right?, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:59 (seventeen years ago)

I know, right?

gabbneb, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:59 (seventeen years ago)

gabbneb just sows loathing and misery wherever he appears.

Mordy, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:59 (seventeen years ago)

???

I know, right?, Thursday, 13 November 2008 01:00 (seventeen years ago)

Well? Shall we go? Yes, let's go.

J0hn D., Thursday, 13 November 2008 01:00 (seventeen years ago)

Passenger, Derrida's methodological con games, deliberate misreadings and convoluted/mystifying style are present everywhere in his work like a virus. The only thing being deconstructed if you take this guy for his word is your own common sense. Besides Paglia, I recommend the Sokal/Bricmont book and Merquior's "From Prague to Paris".

i know right, not just that, you are Vision's sockpuppet. Whenever people talk to you, it's actually me on the other side. max, I don't text (I really don't).

Mordy, sorry, you have not. You think you did, perhaps out of intellectual vanity, but how can you offer a counterargument to an author you clearly have not read? Paglia is not the Salon column, Paglia is "Sexual Personae".

Shakey, whenever they select a bibliography, they're doing just that- telling you what to read and what not to read. Also, you never had teachers try to attack certain authors in class? Were you self-schooled or something?

Vision, Thursday, 13 November 2008 01:00 (seventeen years ago)

this thread looks like a lotta fun, i gotta say

gabbneb, Thursday, 13 November 2008 01:01 (seventeen years ago)

DUDE READ MY FUCKING COMMENTS: I HAVE READ ALL OF SEXUAL PERSONAE.

Mordy, Thursday, 13 November 2008 01:01 (seventeen years ago)

don't you mean I HAVE READ ALL THIS SEXUAL PERSONAE

gabbneb, Thursday, 13 November 2008 01:02 (seventeen years ago)


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