sexual personae

And dude, if you are 17, nobody's gonna be cross. We'll hug and say "Doesn't it feel so much better being the real you?".

A survey of the school showed that 80% was voting for McCain. (I don't know off-hand the breakdown between students and faculty in that number, but as I recall, it was quite high for both.)

And even THEY hate Paglia.

(Heh, I don't actually know that they hate Paglia. But I imagine they would.)

i know right, read the book. Do it as an exercise. Read "Sexual Personae" from start to finish with an open mind. The only caveat, as with Frye's "Anatomy of Criticism", are the occasional spoliers from fiction works etc.

Mordy, I don't mind her, but any selfish worldview, Rand included, is self-contradictory.

Oh, they do mean something, you just haven't read enough on the subject. Many great authors saw a lesser if any value in art for their actual or envisioned societies.

Mordy, RE your alma mater: as usual, the exception that justifies the rule.

spoIlers

Sigh, dude. You suck.

spollers

Please leave the thread. I want to continue to make fun of Paglia's attempts to get in Palin's pants and you're killing my fun. XP

Vision, I know you think you're dodging the issues really deftly there, but we just want you to actually say something please.

Mordy, as for yout tutor/college, one of Paglia's best advices: "let the library be your teacher" .

please list all the books you've read o wise one

you just haven't read enough on the subject.

srsly why do you say shit like this? do you know? why would you assume it's true? it's a nasty habit, i hope you don't do it in real life or you for sure come off like a total cock. word to the wise.

Like, actually make a point or an argument at some point rather than referring back to some notion of precedence, where you assume a precedence of knowledge that you've never once displayed here.

Paglia is much better, but Adorno (the essays on music and Minima Moralia at least) is an engaging read, just do it selectively.

Vision: takin' it to the next level

He doesn't even know the right Adorno to read :( It's sad.

Of course, it's predictable that he would pick the Adorno's book that has the questionable homophobic slurs in it.

Vision knows what we've read, what classes we've take, when we're sleeping, when we're awake

If we've been bad or good?

He knows the bias of a syllabus from 2000000000 yards!

I propose that Vision has never actually read Sexual Personae.

Let the library be your teacher is a good line though.

But what about the bias of the library, huh?

i know right, I have written like 10 pages of stuff on this thread (which has just now reached that point where people, out of arguments, resort to "you suck", "shut up" etc).

goole, because some things people say betray a level of ignorance which they try to mask or to disingenuously attribute to others. Life is hard in the world of ideas, you must have thick skin. An example: in the book w/the Nabokov/Edmund Wilson correspondence, Nabokov mentions a certain college friend or something like that whose first dissertation started with the following phrase:

"democracy is a latin word"

That statement alone destroyed this guy's reputation forever. And, it must be said, rightly so.

because some things people say betray a level of ignorance which they try to mask or to disingenuously attribute to others.

^^ you don't say

Vision, you've never actually made an argument. Not once. And I challenge you to produce a quote that says otherwise.

But what about the bias of the library, huh?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4147XH95YSL._SL500_AA240_.jpg

Vision, NO YOU HAVEN"T, in fact you're doing what I tried to call you on as a way of avoiding actually saying something AGAIN.

NOBODY IS FOOLED

There's been a couple of really bad one sentence book reviews....

Don't get upset, IK,R? We're all following along. We know he hasn't made a single argument. Those 10 pages he's written are ten pages of fluff.

Vision don't let these guys bully you into saying something of substance

But maybe he doesn't know what an argument is. I'll help - madlibs style:

Despite saying some things you all disagree with about Sarah Palin, Paglia is actually making an interesting point. This is because her argument that {.....} which you may not have considered because of {.......} shows Palin in a new light. While I admit that textually, Palin can appear to be stupid, if you consider {.......} argument of Paglia's, then that becomes reversed.

Just fill in the {.....} and you'll be well on your way to making an argument.

PS vision I'm really really curious what in Derrida's work you find fake or fraudulent.

all the french

those french think they're so smart, they have a different word for everything

They aren't called French Fries. They are called American fries.

Freedom fries.

Paglia fries.

Mordy, that's ironic, since the essays are more or less self-standing, and Minima Moralia is the entry level Adorno that sums up his analytical slants and his ideas on art and society etc. Adorno was (as german authors usually are) blunt in the way he expressed himself. You can't fully read him retroactively or through a PC lens.

i know right/Mordy, what I say is written, and it seems more than enough to sum up what I think about Paglia. Now, as I said the other day, if you want remedial classes, you should at least know the basics.

Passenger, in the library, you select the bibliography. If you teacher says "nah, don't read Fraser", you can go there, read him and judge for yourself.

max, it's ok, "i know right" is actually my sockpuppet, and I suspect Mordy is actually prof.Paglia under an alias.

She is horribly boring. Her teenage insistence on taking the contrary point to get a rise out of her audience was mildly entertaining when her schtick was new. It's quite not-new now, and her younger self might have known as much, but her older self knows which side the bread's buttered on, so she keeps hauling recycled mothball-stinking crap like "I like Sarah Palin! You people just don't understand!" out and collecting her 3k or so per piece. I do not doubt she's a fine professor; she has that tenacity of focus that can make a semester really adventurous. But continuing to read her thought, which does not grow or find new directions, is like taking the same course every semester for over a decade after you've graduated.

It's true, I am a sockpuppet.

Is this the "writing" you're talking about?

Now, some arguments:
-Paglia has a theory of culture (you know, Apollonyan androgynes, Dionysian undercurrents, forces of nature and sexuality shaping culture, gender roles in history, crime, popular culture etc etc); what are you thoughts on it?
-Paglia is very incisive in her statements (hence "verve"); several of her most famous phrases have entered the mainstream debate; what do you have to say about them?
-she also has a very original theory of poetry, going from Sappho to Joni Mitchell and again based on the expression of sexual impulse, among other things; do you think she got it wrong? How?

hahah man I hate it when teachers tell me NOT to read things wtf

seriously cannot think of a single instance of a professor/teacher saying that to me

vision canyou text me again I lost your number...

So it was quiet, quiet, up there in the mountains. It wasn't quiet for long, because when one Jew comes along and meets another, then it's goodbye silence, even in the mountains. Because the Jew and Nature, that's two very different things, as always, even today, even here.

My favorite Celan quote.

i must not be jewish

So, I'm going to bed. Someone email me when Vision makes an argument.

vision text me on my personal cell not my work cell k