sexual personae

a paglia fan would like adorno

Shakey, it's all written and your name is there. It happened on more than one thread if I'm not mistaken.

Thousand Plateaus ftw. :)

I'm not gonna bother re-re-re-explaining to you something that is plain as day. have fun re-reading it though.

a paglia fan would like adorno

Hey! Adorno rocks! I imagine Vision doesn't actually understand him.

no that's what i mean haha. "like"

(Ie: He probably does a Paglia reading of Adorno; trumping up his dissatisfaction with modernity without acknowledging his very important post-apocalyptic leanings.)

yes u understand my subtext

goole, that's true, but they also have an agenda. How many teachers you know or read about have voted for McCain, for instance?

― Vision, Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:15 PM (1 minute ago)

nine. i have the number right here, there were nine.

Mordy, I'm just really shy, and I'd like you to take my opinions as they are, unattached from a person etc (I'm not Burial though).

lol'd @ this

you know what philosophy book I just love is the celestine prophecy

Why is that considered an agenda? I voted for Obama. Do I have a secret agenda? Does everyone who votes have a secret agenda? Do McCain voters have secret agendas too? Dude, do you realize how retarded you sound?

Similarities between Paglia and Adorno:
-both are truly well-read;
-both are insightful and highly quotable;
-both understand, albeit in very different ways, the role of art in society.

Paglia is much better, but Adorno (the essays on music and Minima Moralia at least) is an engaging read, just do it selectively.

goole, please give any info you feel comfortable giving about this nine (which school? Which subject etc).

"i know right, Sexual Personae can be an interesting reading to painters. Lots of insights on line, profile, neck exposure etc etc etc."

Actually from this point of view this book is absolutely dreadful. Tenner bets nobody alive making worthwhile paintings has had any sort of "insight" from her inane observations. Have you ever painted Vision? Painting isn't just some convenient hook for you to sling your miscarried cultural theory on, it's actually a whole world of discourses in itself and this book treats it like a shallow pond for hermeneutics.

Vision, please, please tell me that you like Ayn Rand. Because if you do, I think we should move this conversation over there and talk about libertarianism. No conversation can't be improved by the inclusion of a Randian.

"both understand, albeit in very different ways, the role of art in society" this is a string of lines that communicates absolutely nothing. Are you aware?

string of words*

BTW, "understanding" Adorno is still an ongoing debate, from which people who don't read german can be considered excluded to a certain extent.

4) They are both people
5) They both write stuff
6) People read both of them

xp lol

Vision, my thesis advisor did her dissertation with Haverkamp. I assume you know who that is.

that's "objectivist" to you

x-post

Vision is really into Wikipedia

Also, Vision, my undergraduate program was at Yeshiva University. Probably the most right-wing college campus in the country.

And dude, if you are 17, nobody's gonna be cross. We'll hug and say "Doesn't it feel so much better being the real you?".

A survey of the school showed that 80% was voting for McCain. (I don't know off-hand the breakdown between students and faculty in that number, but as I recall, it was quite high for both.)

And even THEY hate Paglia.

(Heh, I don't actually know that they hate Paglia. But I imagine they would.)

i know right, read the book. Do it as an exercise. Read "Sexual Personae" from start to finish with an open mind. The only caveat, as with Frye's "Anatomy of Criticism", are the occasional spoliers from fiction works etc.

Mordy, I don't mind her, but any selfish worldview, Rand included, is self-contradictory.

Oh, they do mean something, you just haven't read enough on the subject. Many great authors saw a lesser if any value in art for their actual or envisioned societies.

Mordy, RE your alma mater: as usual, the exception that justifies the rule.

spoIlers

Sigh, dude. You suck.

spollers

Please leave the thread. I want to continue to make fun of Paglia's attempts to get in Palin's pants and you're killing my fun. XP

Vision, I know you think you're dodging the issues really deftly there, but we just want you to actually say something please.

Mordy, as for yout tutor/college, one of Paglia's best advices: "let the library be your teacher" .

please list all the books you've read o wise one

you just haven't read enough on the subject.

srsly why do you say shit like this? do you know? why would you assume it's true? it's a nasty habit, i hope you don't do it in real life or you for sure come off like a total cock. word to the wise.

Like, actually make a point or an argument at some point rather than referring back to some notion of precedence, where you assume a precedence of knowledge that you've never once displayed here.

Paglia is much better, but Adorno (the essays on music and Minima Moralia at least) is an engaging read, just do it selectively.

Vision: takin' it to the next level

He doesn't even know the right Adorno to read :( It's sad.

Of course, it's predictable that he would pick the Adorno's book that has the questionable homophobic slurs in it.

Vision knows what we've read, what classes we've take, when we're sleeping, when we're awake

If we've been bad or good?

He knows the bias of a syllabus from 2000000000 yards!

I propose that Vision has never actually read Sexual Personae.

Let the library be your teacher is a good line though.

But what about the bias of the library, huh?

i know right, I have written like 10 pages of stuff on this thread (which has just now reached that point where people, out of arguments, resort to "you suck", "shut up" etc).

goole, because some things people say betray a level of ignorance which they try to mask or to disingenuously attribute to others. Life is hard in the world of ideas, you must have thick skin. An example: in the book w/the Nabokov/Edmund Wilson correspondence, Nabokov mentions a certain college friend or something like that whose first dissertation started with the following phrase:

"democracy is a latin word"

That statement alone destroyed this guy's reputation forever. And, it must be said, rightly so.

because some things people say betray a level of ignorance which they try to mask or to disingenuously attribute to others.

^^ you don't say

Vision, you've never actually made an argument. Not once. And I challenge you to produce a quote that says otherwise.

But what about the bias of the library, huh?

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