sexual personae

Mordy, I'd rather not tell. I can tell you this: I'm no longer in school. I also have never met Paglia or taken one of her classes.

Shakey, quote me please. Last time we chatted you tried to tell me there wer no mathematical foundations to music, remember?

Why would you rather not give your age?

most academics couldn't give a fuck about 'major theorists' or camille paglia or any of that garbage, they want:

1. to have a few students per year who aren't horribly unprepared for coursework and have some energy and will to read and show up on time and do a paper w/o any extensions or plagiarism

2. to get a paper -- real actual research and argument about Gentilesse or some other goddam thing that nobody outside their sub-sub-specialty has the first inkling of interest in -- published, at least to get a little breathing room for another term, jesus.

3. to maybe get another draft on the ol' novel done, if all free time doesn't get sucked into these stupid fucking steering committee meetings, god, why did i agree to any of that shit again?

I'm 21 and trying to paint, but painting is hard and so you have to find different ways of painting, or something.

You're an anonymous commenter on an online message board. The only explanation for not giving your age is that you think it'll subvert your argument. I'm going to guess you're 19.

vision please don't ever stop, there are far too many clueless liberals on this board and we need more intelligent and courageous independent-minded voices like yours

maybe after Vision has excised our liberal tendencies, he can go on to excise the influence of black culture in modern music

Can no-one tame him?

He's such a wild and free spirit!

The bebop line must have been inspired by this, right?

That's really beautiful!

Shakey, quote me please. Last time we chatted you tried to tell me there wer no mathematical foundations to music, remember?

learn to read moron

Don't you think we should move past these structuralist concerns (like: can she speak English) and onto more post-structuralist - though not Derrida and Lacanian! - concerns: like: Would Fap?

can we not talk about Lacan? Sarah Palin would not discuss Lacan, and, ultimately, this is what matters.

Mordy, I'm just really shy, and I'd like you to take my opinions as they are, unattached from a person etc (I'm not Burial though).
Adorno is a worthwhile time investment. Lacan, Derrida, Althusser are all garbage. You do have this, right:

http://www.lrbshop.co.uk/images/P/0520231597.jpg

i know right, Sexual Personae can be an interesting reading to painters. Lots of insights on line, profile, neck exposure etc etc etc.

goole, that's true, but they also have an agenda. How many teachers you know or read about have voted for McCain, for instance?

Palin is more of a Deleuze/Guattari fan

a paglia fan would like adorno

Shakey, it's all written and your name is there. It happened on more than one thread if I'm not mistaken.

Thousand Plateaus ftw. :)

I'm not gonna bother re-re-re-explaining to you something that is plain as day. have fun re-reading it though.

a paglia fan would like adorno

Hey! Adorno rocks! I imagine Vision doesn't actually understand him.

no that's what i mean haha. "like"

(Ie: He probably does a Paglia reading of Adorno; trumping up his dissatisfaction with modernity without acknowledging his very important post-apocalyptic leanings.)

yes u understand my subtext

goole, that's true, but they also have an agenda. How many teachers you know or read about have voted for McCain, for instance?

― Vision, Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:15 PM (1 minute ago)

nine. i have the number right here, there were nine.

Mordy, I'm just really shy, and I'd like you to take my opinions as they are, unattached from a person etc (I'm not Burial though).

lol'd @ this

you know what philosophy book I just love is the celestine prophecy

Why is that considered an agenda? I voted for Obama. Do I have a secret agenda? Does everyone who votes have a secret agenda? Do McCain voters have secret agendas too? Dude, do you realize how retarded you sound?

Similarities between Paglia and Adorno:
-both are truly well-read;
-both are insightful and highly quotable;
-both understand, albeit in very different ways, the role of art in society.

Paglia is much better, but Adorno (the essays on music and Minima Moralia at least) is an engaging read, just do it selectively.

goole, please give any info you feel comfortable giving about this nine (which school? Which subject etc).

"i know right, Sexual Personae can be an interesting reading to painters. Lots of insights on line, profile, neck exposure etc etc etc."

Actually from this point of view this book is absolutely dreadful. Tenner bets nobody alive making worthwhile paintings has had any sort of "insight" from her inane observations. Have you ever painted Vision? Painting isn't just some convenient hook for you to sling your miscarried cultural theory on, it's actually a whole world of discourses in itself and this book treats it like a shallow pond for hermeneutics.

Vision, please, please tell me that you like Ayn Rand. Because if you do, I think we should move this conversation over there and talk about libertarianism. No conversation can't be improved by the inclusion of a Randian.

"both understand, albeit in very different ways, the role of art in society" this is a string of lines that communicates absolutely nothing. Are you aware?

string of words*

BTW, "understanding" Adorno is still an ongoing debate, from which people who don't read german can be considered excluded to a certain extent.

4) They are both people
5) They both write stuff
6) People read both of them

xp lol

Vision, my thesis advisor did her dissertation with Haverkamp. I assume you know who that is.

that's "objectivist" to you

x-post

Vision is really into Wikipedia

Also, Vision, my undergraduate program was at Yeshiva University. Probably the most right-wing college campus in the country.

And dude, if you are 17, nobody's gonna be cross. We'll hug and say "Doesn't it feel so much better being the real you?".

A survey of the school showed that 80% was voting for McCain. (I don't know off-hand the breakdown between students and faculty in that number, but as I recall, it was quite high for both.)

And even THEY hate Paglia.

(Heh, I don't actually know that they hate Paglia. But I imagine they would.)

i know right, read the book. Do it as an exercise. Read "Sexual Personae" from start to finish with an open mind. The only caveat, as with Frye's "Anatomy of Criticism", are the occasional spoliers from fiction works etc.

Mordy, I don't mind her, but any selfish worldview, Rand included, is self-contradictory.

Oh, they do mean something, you just haven't read enough on the subject. Many great authors saw a lesser if any value in art for their actual or envisioned societies.

Mordy, RE your alma mater: as usual, the exception that justifies the rule.

spoIlers

Sigh, dude. You suck.

spollers

Please leave the thread. I want to continue to make fun of Paglia's attempts to get in Palin's pants and you're killing my fun. XP

Vision, I know you think you're dodging the issues really deftly there, but we just want you to actually say something please.