sexual personae

"as an unrepetant namecaller"

her and Hitchens should mate and produce some angry drunken contrarian antichrist

Dear Mordy, Camille Paglia is one of the greatest public intellectuals of all time. But you wouldn't know that. Try to step outside the confines of your little world where everybody who says things you disagree with is automatically a "troll".

^^ was waiting for that too

Vision returns! How exciting. You really do stalk this board, don't you?

No, not really. As a matter of fact, last time I posted was sunday or the early hours on monday, if I'm not mistaken.

Dear Mordy, Camille Paglia is one of the greatest public intellectuals of all time. But you wouldn't know that.

Dearest Vision, I would not know that. Perhaps you can offer me some well-thought out remarks about D-A gender struggle and Paglia's brilliant contribution to the role of gender in society. It will likely help me rethink my condemnations of this clearly precious woman. She may be a national treasure and I have besmirched her name in an online forum. Alas.

Sincerely,
Your Dearest Mordy

Though, for all of you following at home, I'd like to point something out:

As a career classroom teacher, I can see how smart she is -- and quite frankly, I think the people who don't see it are the stupid ones,

Try to step outside the confines of your little world where everybody who says things you disagree with is automatically a "troll".

This is what I was writing about the last go around. Paglia cultivates this flippant, alienating contrarianism in her writing and her students all adopt it to a man. The first quote was written in Paglia's piece and the second by Vision. They are practically the same sentence. (Of course, if Vision is a sockpuppet, as I suspect, then kudos. Very well done there.)

1. sarah palin is really smart, and people who do not think she is smart, are stupid and also blinkered by dogma

2. the way sarah palin talks is not incoherent, it's like jazz.

3. people who are have been and will be hostile to any of feminism's goals are the future of femisim

great public intellectuallizing at work

sp 2nd feminism there

This was a great article: http://www.slate.com/id/2201158/

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I will say two things Mordy:

-read her essay "No Law in the Arena; then read her short book of Hitchcock's "The Birds"; then read the first chapter of "Sexual Personae"; and
-keep this in mind ALWAYS: your liberal teachers may not have your best social and intellectual interest in mind.

Hey kiddo, I've read all of Sexual Personae.

I will say one thing:

the chili i just had, did not have my best gastrointestinal interest in mind

keep this in mind ALWAYS: your liberal teachers may not have your best social and intellectual interest in mind.

You know this is asinine, right? It exposes that you're an undergraduate (or precocious high school student), since you assume everyone who is reading Paglia has liberal professors swaying them.

I'm going to list possibilities in order of most probable to least probable:

1. Sock-Puppet
2. Precocious High Schooler
3. Troll
4. Undergraduate Student
5. Adult

I read Paglia on my own. No professor I ever took a class from was enough of an idiot to have her on the reading list.

but DNFTT and all that

I never took a college course on Feminist theory. I read that stuff on my own. So no professor was whispering in my ear, "Wolfe is good. Beauvoir is good. Paglia is bad." I realized that on my own.

No.I assume most people remain attached to the prejudices, guilt trips and tunnel vision inflicted upon them by their liberal teachers in college (and sometimes high school).

People who attack Paglia in academia have an agenda: to salvage their very fragile reputations, which they pulverized by reading and being deluded by fakers and frauds such as Lacan and Derrida.

yes, nobody gets the credibility from college kids like the FACULTY!! man those kids will follow them into anything, all kinds of crazy things like loving DH Lawrence and hating capitalism and stuff

hating the 'liberal professoriat' is one the oldest and lamest trick in the contrarian book. even if you believe the universities are some kind of indoctrination camp system you'd have to admit they are really shitty at it. still plenty of conservatives around, with college degrees even!

xp wait, so, have you only ever read one book?

Shakey, that's also my point: liberal teachers often try to bowdlerize their reading lists by not including anything by Paglia.

assuming a very personal motive to people to don't like your favorite icon is cute too.

lacan is some bs but derrida has some goods

You know, when I was in high school, I once picked a fight with someone about some literary topic or another on a forum. (Not this forum, another one.) And I thought I was really clever, marshaling quotes from various writers and arguing passionately for my position which I strongly felt to be the correct one. Years later I reread that forum and was humiliated by my lack of knowledge. I really sounded like a teenager (of course, I was one). I did many of the things Vision does here. I lodged personal attacks instead of offering proofs, and when I offered proofs, they tended to be poorly thought out and poorly developed.

Which is to say: Vision, I totally understand the tragic temptation of internet arguing for high schoolers. And: Paglia still writes like I did when I was in high school.

Lacan and Derrida are both bitchin. I'm actually writing about Lacan right now, as we speak. (Extimacy: The leakage of the Other into the Self.) It's awesome stuff.

AH! My night is complete! There comes i know right. Are you asking me or someone else?

Paglia has the virtue of being somewhat entertaining and that's about it. She'd be awesome to hang out and do shots of tequila with 'cause she'd have 'strong' opinions about the color of the bar napkins and the shape of all the modern vodka bottles but she likes heat more than light, clearly. Interestingly, I'd say the same of Lacan and Derrida.

And I'd hope that even Paglia would be humiliating by the idea of someone saying that we should all read Paglia, cause she's amazing, and Derrida and Lacan are worthless. Of course, she seems like an asshole, so maybe she'd agree. (Even tho without those two thinkers Paglia probably wouldn't exist.)

How do you find the time man?

Mordy, I'm telling you now: give up those losers while you can. They teach you nothing. They have no intelligible contribution to society or to individuals. Unless you think stuff like "le nom du père/ le non du père" are really profound insights.

Vision, how old are you?

The problem with Paglia's argument is that she wouldn't hang out with the schoolteachers she professes to love.

BTW Mordy, see what I mean about ignorance: if you had the most superficial knowledge about Paglia, you'd know part of her career is based on destroyed the fakers of post-structuralism etc.

I know right, it's easy: I don't waste time.

I can imagine doing this over some book that may not really stand up but that I really love. You know, getting really pissed off and trying to dismiss all of the criticism, I mean, I really can imagine the shoe being on the other foot and feeling like the only person wearing contacts in a room full of blind people, but I can't imagine being such an ass. I didn't think Vision was a High School student, I just thought he's an idiot, but the more I think about it now....

Also, I meant Mordy.

Vision makes a lot of very funny, totally unfounded assumptions. Beyond that, comic value = nil

How do I find the time to write about Lacan, or to write here? The former is for work. The latter is for a break :)

So Vision, how old are you? I'll go first. I'm 24, married, and working on a thesis that tries to reinvent Adorno's culture industry in terms of music in the age of the internet.

She'd be awesome to hang out and do shots of tequila with 'cause she'd have 'strong' opinions about the color of the bar napkins and the shape of all the modern vodka bottles but she likes heat more than light, clearly.

hahahaha ^^^one of my fave posters right here

Mordy, I'd rather not tell. I can tell you this: I'm no longer in school. I also have never met Paglia or taken one of her classes.

Shakey, quote me please. Last time we chatted you tried to tell me there wer no mathematical foundations to music, remember?

Why would you rather not give your age?

most academics couldn't give a fuck about 'major theorists' or camille paglia or any of that garbage, they want:

1. to have a few students per year who aren't horribly unprepared for coursework and have some energy and will to read and show up on time and do a paper w/o any extensions or plagiarism

2. to get a paper -- real actual research and argument about Gentilesse or some other goddam thing that nobody outside their sub-sub-specialty has the first inkling of interest in -- published, at least to get a little breathing room for another term, jesus.

3. to maybe get another draft on the ol' novel done, if all free time doesn't get sucked into these stupid fucking steering committee meetings, god, why did i agree to any of that shit again?

I'm 21 and trying to paint, but painting is hard and so you have to find different ways of painting, or something.

You're an anonymous commenter on an online message board. The only explanation for not giving your age is that you think it'll subvert your argument. I'm going to guess you're 19.

vision please don't ever stop, there are far too many clueless liberals on this board and we need more intelligent and courageous independent-minded voices like yours

maybe after Vision has excised our liberal tendencies, he can go on to excise the influence of black culture in modern music

Can no-one tame him?

He's such a wild and free spirit!

The bebop line must have been inspired by this, right?