true - steven soderbergh's ocean's inception would have been GREAT
― dyao, Thursday, 29 July 2010 19:02 (fifteen years ago)
I'm not seeing Christian Bale as Billy Ocean.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 29 July 2010 19:03 (fifteen years ago)
nah man, keep the same cast. I'm getting pretty excited thinking about the possibilities tbh. get that chinese acrobat dude again, uh, the one dude who controlled the bigass drill... I dunno
― dyao, Thursday, 29 July 2010 19:05 (fifteen years ago)
Thoughts: (we're way past the point of spoiler alerts, right? Beware, in any case)
There seems to be a typical Nolan protagonist as every one of them is something of a humorless monomaniac, and the motivations for their obsessions are always pretty feeble and ring false to me. The relationship between these men and their wives or girlfriends is like something out of "A Beautiful Mind."
Shades of Nicolas Roeg's "Don't Look Now," with, among other things, the way Leo DiCaprio keeps having re-occurring hallucinations of his small children, who, of course, always have their backs to him. The way Roeg's movie dealt with the concept of second sight and played with sequence of events is worth comparing to this movie, but, unlike "Don't Look Now", Inception isn't wrapped in hazy mysticism and doesn't give off a creepy occult vibe. Nolan never really gets into the mystery of dreams and he doesn't reveal anything too insightful about them either, which is a shame. Likewise, big concepts from gnosticism and whatnot are briefly mentioned but not really explored in the movie. And finishing off the 'don't look now" comparisons, not sure if eventually getting knifed by your dead wife beats getting knifed by a deranged dwarf you thought was your kid.
More thoughts later, I'm dead tired.
― Cunga, Friday, 30 July 2010 00:13 (fifteen years ago)
Going back to the motives of these shallow characters which were bypassed in favor of the needless plot complexities, during the whole "I am falsely accused of killing my wife and I will villify myself" quick plot intro, I was reminded afterwards that this theme was far better executed in The Fugitive.
― _▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 30 July 2010 00:46 (fifteen years ago)
I am falsely accused of killing my wife and I will villify myself
Not the most productive approach.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 July 2010 00:48 (fifteen years ago)
I liked this movie on a purely action/artsy level. I never got bothered by any of the lines (except maybe the mantra they say abouyt the train coming or whatever when they lie down on the tracks - it was weird). I think the old TBS slogan "movies for guys who likes movies" applies to me and this movie just cuz I like action and explosions and it's hard for me to be bothered by unrealistic stuff, cheesey stuff and huge ass arsenal. Seeing this movie dissected to the littlest things and comparisons over the last couple weeks has made me not want to read this thread. Alas I put in so much effort reading the first few hundred posts that I've continued to read on
― @( * O * )@ (CaptainLorax), Friday, 30 July 2010 00:54 (fifteen years ago)
Just something that hasn't been mentioned- when juno follows leo down to his basement/the hotel room for the first time, we're looking at marion cotillard from the side, and even tho we know she's going to look over and scare us, it still jarred the shit out of me, the people either side of me, and everyone else in my line of sight in the theatre.
did nolan do something clever here as a director, or did anybody else experience this, or what?
― "It's far from 'lol' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Friday, 30 July 2010 01:42 (fifteen years ago)
It was pretty startling for me too, even though as you said you could tell it from a mile off. Pretty big music sting there I seem to recall (see also Signs and the birthday part alien)
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 July 2010 01:43 (fifteen years ago)
i can't help thinking it was more than that, tbh- tho signs 1st glimpse of alien is a good comparison certainly.
― "It's far from 'lol' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Friday, 30 July 2010 01:53 (fifteen years ago)
also i'd add that it was a fairly successful ghost (horror?) story every time wife showed up.
― "It's far from 'lol' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Friday, 30 July 2010 01:54 (fifteen years ago)
that part was startling for me, though I hated how those around me had to react in overexaggerated fashion.
― San Te, Friday, 30 July 2010 14:24 (fifteen years ago)
How do you know they were over exaggerating?
― Number None, Friday, 30 July 2010 14:40 (fifteen years ago)
the x-factor is cotillard's creepy fuckin' face.
― Simon H., Friday, 30 July 2010 14:40 (fifteen years ago)
i will go out and get christopher nolan's white gloves and slap you in the face with one, sir
― "It's far from 'lol' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Friday, 30 July 2010 14:41 (fifteen years ago)
Not an insult! It was good casting.
― Simon H., Friday, 30 July 2010 14:43 (fifteen years ago)
hmm as long as creepy doesn't preclude heartstoppingly beautiful then we have no quarrel. FOR NOW
― "It's far from 'lol' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Friday, 30 July 2010 14:51 (fifteen years ago)
http://i26.tinypic.com/2wgy9md.jpg
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― Cunga, Saturday, 31 July 2010 01:43 (fifteen years ago)
http://i25.tinypic.com/2lixyqp.jpg
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― Cunga, Saturday, 31 July 2010 01:53 (fifteen years ago)
Whether this movie is any great shakes is up for debate, but no question it is endlessly mockable.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 31 July 2010 03:10 (fifteen years ago)
http://socialitelife.celebuzz.com/bfm_gallery/2009/09/leo_dicaprio_on_the_set_of_inception/gallery_main/gallery_main-inception-film-set-leonardo-dicaprio-09162009-08.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 31 July 2010 03:16 (fifteen years ago)
I saw this movie again tonight, and it seemed like the whole audience let out this disappointed "aww!" at spinning top at the ending. Didn't happen the first time I saw it.
― ô_o (Nicole), Saturday, 31 July 2010 03:27 (fifteen years ago)
Definitely happened first time through with me -- I was too startled to say anything!
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 31 July 2010 03:36 (fifteen years ago)
Audience laughed at my showing
― LA river flood (lukas), Saturday, 31 July 2010 04:48 (fifteen years ago)
audience cried at mine
― titchyschneiderhouserules (s1ocki), Saturday, 31 July 2010 04:50 (fifteen years ago)
Ending is such an unnecessary cheap shot
― flashing drill + penis fan (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 31 July 2010 07:41 (fifteen years ago)
I say again, I really liked it, made me lol. Both times I've seen it!
― Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 31 July 2010 08:21 (fifteen years ago)
this movie is completely ridiculous. i sort of want to fart in christopher nolan's mouth. i liked jonathan taylor thomas though.
― by another name (amateurist), Saturday, 31 July 2010 09:43 (fifteen years ago)
nolan is like the cleverest dumb person ever.
― by another name (amateurist), Saturday, 31 July 2010 09:44 (fifteen years ago)
iirc the original ending involved Cobb watching a group of mimes play tennis with no ball, and then Cobb disappearing into thin air.
― Cunga, Saturday, 31 July 2010 09:56 (fifteen years ago)
No Yardbirds No Credibility
― wd kiss Sunset pig (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 31 July 2010 09:57 (fifteen years ago)
Don't remember feeling like that ending was a cheap shot
Also that bit at the end of Flash Gordon where there's a question mark tattooed on Ming the Merciless's skull is a better ending
― wd kiss Sunset pig (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 31 July 2010 09:58 (fifteen years ago)
Though Chris Nolan was gonna come on and go "aaaaaaah"
― wd kiss Sunset pig (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 31 July 2010 09:59 (fifteen years ago)
Then Leo's head splits in half and underneath it's John Cusack
― wd kiss Sunset pig (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 31 July 2010 10:00 (fifteen years ago)
And he's carrying a haddock
― wd kiss Sunset pig (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 31 July 2010 10:02 (fifteen years ago)
On which he blows Liliburlero by way of apology
― wd kiss Sunset pig (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 31 July 2010 10:03 (fifteen years ago)
There's a question mark on Ming's ring!?!?! I gotta watch that right now in slo-mo! All these years I had no idea it was "to be continued ..."
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 31 July 2010 13:15 (fifteen years ago)
In the original script, btw, Leo hops off the screen and kicks each and every audience member in the balls. It turned out to be prohibitively expensive, though I hear Kevin Smith has been working on his own version.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 31 July 2010 13:17 (fifteen years ago)
the original ending in the shooting script was just a title card that read "OR WAS IT"
― titchyschneiderhouserules (s1ocki), Saturday, 31 July 2010 14:38 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1939234
Also, muddying the waters:
COF: How much does costume reflect the inner machinations of the plot, particularly in a film such as Inception? For example, Cobb’s children are wearing the same clothes at the end of the story as they are in his dream ‘memory’ throughout the film. Is there something to be interpreted here?JK: Costume design reflects greatly on the movement of the plot, most significantly through character development. Character development is at the forefront of costume design. The characters move the story along and with the director and the actor the costume designer helps to set the film’s emotional tone in a visual way. In a more physical sense the costumes’ style and color help to keep the story on track, keeping a check on time and place.On to the second part of your question, the children’s clothing is different in the final scene … look again…
JK: Costume design reflects greatly on the movement of the plot, most significantly through character development. Character development is at the forefront of costume design. The characters move the story along and with the director and the actor the costume designer helps to set the film’s emotional tone in a visual way. In a more physical sense the costumes’ style and color help to keep the story on track, keeping a check on time and place.
On to the second part of your question, the children’s clothing is different in the final scene … look again…
http://clothesonfilm.com/inception-jeffrey-kurland-costume-qa/14317/
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 1 August 2010 03:00 (fifteen years ago)
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/8/2010/07/82e90a3a89a27f7584bd61d5f014fda5/340x.jpg
― 3-D MUTANT PENGUIN TITS! (latebloomer), Sunday, 1 August 2010 03:01 (fifteen years ago)
the music in this is way overbearing, from the very first moments
― Dan S, Sunday, 1 August 2010 03:27 (fifteen years ago)
i am really enjoying all this inception humor, carry on
― by another name (amateurist), Sunday, 1 August 2010 05:47 (fifteen years ago)
hickory dickory dockthis movie blew
― sleepingbag, Sunday, 1 August 2010 09:26 (fifteen years ago)
Saw it last night, the title could have been:
BETTAR THAN THE MATRIXa film by chris nolan
I think I said toward the beginning that there was no way the real world was "real" because no one dresses that well all the time. Anyone else notice that people were closest to casual clothing and a realistic look in limbo?
― turtles all the way down (mh), Sunday, 1 August 2010 18:56 (fifteen years ago)
^this. casually throwing music around in films has become like a band-aid for bad dialogue. triteness becomes melodramatic, or something.
― hobbes, Sunday, 1 August 2010 19:02 (fifteen years ago)
The last movie I saw in the theater that I went to last night was the Christian Bale Terminator one, and I kind of giggled at the heavy music the first time it came on because it really tied the movies together.
BTW, I really liked this one.
― turtles all the way down (mh), Sunday, 1 August 2010 19:12 (fifteen years ago)
this was a very enjoyable film, ya'll need to relax.
― circa1916, Sunday, 1 August 2010 20:51 (fifteen years ago)
for whatever its flaws this is a pretty good summer blockbuster, and it aint a sequel or a transformers movie or twilight or some shit like that
― the itsytitchyschneider (s1ocki), Sunday, 1 August 2010 20:57 (fifteen years ago)