frank kogan needs to know the diff between a pub and a bar

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Amateurist are you serious about us still having that hatch thing? I think that was only ever some places anyway.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:17 (twenty-three years ago)

amateurist is thinking of star trek

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 15:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Suzy makes me glad I'm not there right now.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 15:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Eh?

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 17:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Because that current slang sounds so atrocious! It's horrible enough having to read it, I don't want to accidentally hear it. (What I'm saying is, I'm on side with Nabisco.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 17:24 (twenty-three years ago)

I think this is one of those days where nothing works right.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 17:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Aww, Tracer ::hugs::

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 17:33 (twenty-three years ago)

We should all just go directly home and go to sleep and agree that tomorrow will be Tuesday or something, seriously. My day has SUCKED so far.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 17:37 (twenty-three years ago)

:-( Take that day off, Tracer. If it's turning out bad, don't force yourself to deal with it further.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 17:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Bleeeah. It's not that easy, Ned. Thanks for the good vibes though :) At least I'm not one of the seven poor fuckers who decided this was a good day to climb up the Brooklyn Bridge's suspension cables - I've been intermittently monitoring their progress; over the last half hour a huge fucking STORM has whipped up down here - and now I don't see them!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 18:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Erm. Is doing such a thing in winter a good idea anyway?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 18:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Right, like it wouldn't be equally dumb in summer?

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 18:24 (twenty-three years ago)

If I had to climb something tall and the choice was between cold winds chafing yer butt and humid weather that you could at least drink water for...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 18:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Random girl I overheard: OMG I looooove Irish pubs, except I only like authentic ones--none of that Bennigans stuff. Ooh, you know, have you been to FADO before? It's SUPER realistic, like, you just stepped into Ireland.

This is only funny if you have been to Fado before, seeing as it's a CHAIN restaurant that serves dishes like baked brie and munster and pear quesadilla. Sounds really authentic, hm?

― Mandee, Tuesday, 4 February 2003 18:45 (twenty-three years ago)

It's SUPER realistic, like, you just stepped into Ireland.

Kill people like this the next time you see them, please.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 18:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Suzy, did you just make up those slang terms for breasts? I've never heard them before. We both live in East London, though we clearly move in different circles. Who uses these terms?

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 19:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Also: SHOW US YR NORKS

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 20:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I live in Central London ;-) but picked up a load of them through observatin' Popbitch.

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 20:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Martin, I don't believe you've never heard 'baps' before. That's been around forever.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 20:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Does Halle Berry know that people in the UK think she starred in a movie called Knockers?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 20:03 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm not sure I have heard 'baps', other than referring to bread rolls. I am obviously not in enough conversations about breasts, which is certainly not by choice.

Sorry, Suzy - I have lost track of where you live. No offence was intended.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 20:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Martin your man of the world image has been severely dented!

Our backward circle is still on 'puppies', I'm afraid.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 21:17 (twenty-three years ago)

'baps' was definitely around in the south west 10 years ago.

― toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 21:45 (twenty-three years ago)

British American Princess?

― Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 22:21 (twenty-three years ago)

[censored] to thread!!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 22:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Jerry's description of a pub-like Denver establishment sounds like a sportbar.

Naw, Gabor's wasn't pub-like and wasn't a sports bar, just had the game on. "Fuck and Run" was on the jukebox.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 23:14 (twenty-three years ago)

haha, british american princess.

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 23:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Our backward circle is still on 'puppies', I'm afraid

You lucky, lucky circle.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 23:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Baps (impossible, that should be a topless sandwich bar)

Unemployed NYCILXCHIXOR! Let's open this!

― rosemary (rosemary), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 04:16 (twenty-three years ago)

― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 06:19 (twenty-three years ago)

One more thought on this, and my rather broad characterisation of the British pub as substitute-for-community and American bar as flight-from-community: if I think of a pop song that makes me think of pubs, I think of Sham69's 'Hurry Up Harry'. If I think of a pop song that makes me think of bars I think of Sinatra's 'One for my baby'.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 10:09 (twenty-three years ago)

ARTIST: Gary Portnoy and Judy Hart Angelo
TITLE: Where Everybody Knows Your Name

[From Television Theme Song]

Making your way in the world today
Takes everything you've got
Taking a break from all your worries
Sure would help a lot
Wouldn't you like to get away

All those night when you've got no lights
The check is in the mail
And your little angel
Hung the cat up by it's tail
And your third fiance didn't show

Sometimes you want to go
Where everybody knows your name
And they're always glad you came
You want to be where you can see
Our troubles are all the same
You want to be where everybody knows your name

Roll out of bed, Mr. Coffee's dead
The morning's looking bright
And your shrink ran off to Europe
And didn't even write
And your husband wants to be a girl

Be glad there's one place in the world
Where everybody knows your name
And they're always glad you came
You want to go where people know
People are all the same
You want to go where everybody knows your name

Where everybody knows your name
And they're always glad you came
Where everybody knows your name
And they're always glad you came

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 11:00 (twenty-three years ago)

haha gary's old time tavern

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 11:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I already dealt with the Cheers issue upthread, Mark. (Cheers is actually a Shakespearian courtly myth, and maps almost exactly onto, say, 'Twelfth Night': Sam = Orsino, Norm = Toby Belch, Cliff = Aguecheek, Diane = Olivia, Frasier = Malvolio, Carla = the maid).

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 11:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Haha: Sasha Frere-Jones agrees with me!

The first step? Take a flight at Heathrow and flip through the CD racks at the Air Mall. You'll find funny names, lots of cover versions, and more compilations than you can shake an ambassador at. The most famous comp is Now That's What I Call Music! and England's already up to Now 53 in the series. (That's right, we stole the idea.) If you think it's just kids buying sugary kid stuff, go hit a pub anywhere in England. The social space is the blueprint for the product—pubs themselves are compilations. Unlike those American bars that nurture misanthropy by keeping everyone drunk in near darkness, English pubs are often light and spacious. Some even have gardens out back, and many do plenty of business during daylight hours. Families have dinner, students meet for drinks, kids run around the pool table, and gnarled football nuts plunk down an empty glass, walk over to the jukebox and put on Kylie or Robbie at all times of day and night. Yeah, mate, dance pop. Nice beat, I can sing along, the missus enjoys it. Wot are you looking at?

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 11:21 (twenty-three years ago)

How can you never have heard baps?

― Graham (graham), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 11:26 (twenty-three years ago)

KIDS RUN AROUND THE POOL TABLE.
Not on my watch. No kids in pubs.

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 11:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh the horror.

Pubs with "family rooms" classic or dud?

― chris (chris), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 11:33 (twenty-three years ago)

sorry jerry yes you did

still, good to know that the words to the verses we never hear are so awful

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 11:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Family rooms are okay as long as the families stay in there and I don't. In my experience this never happens.

Family room != nursery - as many families seem to think.

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 12:07 (twenty-three years ago)

two years pass...

Timely revival. This is why the Foundry is a pub:

like, early in the night, you want PUB. it should be local, it should have old people in, you should ddrink beer, the carpet should be stained and dirty. there should be geezers. there should be plenty seating room to spread out in.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 15 December 2005 08:44 (twenty years ago)

carpet?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 15 December 2005 08:58 (twenty years ago)

What's so unusual about a carpet in a pub?

There are no old geezers in the Foundry. There never are. This precludes it from being a pub. There's no carpet either, but this isn't a prerequisite.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:04 (twenty years ago)

there are indeed geezers

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:06 (twenty years ago)

What's so unusual about a carpet in a pub?

Guess I ain't been to a pub. Why would you carpet anyplace where the liklihood of spills is so high as to be mathematically inevitable?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:18 (twenty years ago)

pubs have separate smaller 'bar' rooms

a bar is just one main 'bar' room, or a stupid trendy name that toffs use to call any place where people sit and drink ale.

carpets and geezers are not an issue.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:41 (twenty years ago)

In my experience as an American, anyplace where people do anything other than sit and drink ale (or lager, or what we yanks call "beer") is not at all a pub, nor a bar, but what we Americans think of colloquially as a "nursing home."

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:06 (twenty years ago)

By which I mean, are you seriously telling me that pubs are not primarily spaces for beer drinking, but instead are places where beer is sold but only in smaller uncarpeted rooms called "bars"? I find this very hard to believe. I have never been to England, and if you told me you all live underground and eat worms, I would have no firsthand evidence to the contrary. Still. Carpets in pubs seems like a very sily idea.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:12 (twenty years ago)

[pubs are] places where beer is sold but only in smaller uncarpeted rooms called "bars"?

no mention of uncarpeted bars in my post, are you talking to me ?

anyway you misread my post completely if you are. where did i say that no drinking took place in the other section?

― Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:22 (twenty years ago)

I am continually amazed at how much you miss, Mr. Paunchy. Please try to follow. It's very simple. The pub is the whole establishment, some of which may of may not be carpeted, whether or not this is a good idea. The "bar" is the bar. It's the same here as there, but we're not as fond of the word or the idea as Americans are. We go to one establishment to drink, same as you. We get drunker than you, and don't get drunk online in the middle of the American night and argue with Britishers about the definitions of their words. We are not that petty, as a habit.

― jaysus, Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:24 (twenty years ago)

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