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I just find adolescent elitism tiresome and delusional. Maybe it makes you feel better to think you're part of a super-special bourgeois cadre, but that doesn't seem to bear any relation to reality. Sorry.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 27 February 2005 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

yes, i was mentioning these things to feel part of some special cadre, not to understand. it must have been momentary forgetfulness on my part to refer to the students at my high school as merely smarter than those on a tv show, rather than among the best in the nation.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Ooh. Look at me, I'm so fancy. I figured out all my personal issues by the age of 14. I never worried about my masculinity, nor about my parents getting divorced. Likewise, I'd made perfect peace with my uncooperative and late-blooming adolescent body, and I never did incredibly, absurdly, dorky things past the age of 12. I can't relate to Sam because I'm too smart, too literate, too urban. It's such a flawed show.

― Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not (and I don't think others are) saying that I (we) can't relate to the show or that it lacks universality. I am trying to understand why, given its partial true-to-lifeness, it feels off in its mise-en-scene. And the answer is because my mise was different. Sorry about that. I guess I shouldn't post things that don't interest particular other people.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

In high school, I was light years beyond these people, and even Lindsay's issues are ones I had moved beyond by the age of 12.

this is interesting too. I think big-city kids may find the show off because they grow up faster, in certain respects.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

the way everyone loves this show so much makes me want to say I hate it.

I don't want to insult you, mel, it's not what I'm trying for, cs if I was I wouldn't hand around this thread and argue with you, or talk with you, but this seems a silly line to take to me. a reaction that when I have it, I immediately distrust it and start to examine why it is and how its come to be tht I'm feeling it. but this may be a mere difference in temperament & feeling.

lindsay's issues are those that the whole of the educational archipelago & the rest of thence-informed society urgent & key needs to move past, or rather address. when lindsay says she might not want to attend the academic summit because 'it's dumb!' she might be articulating in a really adolescent way but what she's articulating is maybe so powerful because of the juvenility of the idea and because it's so obvious, so there: that a summit of the 'greatest young minds' of the country sitting around class learning might just be 'dumb' (clue: it's not dumb but it does help replicate - by being another part of the mechanics of replication - more of the shit tht holds these people (clue: 'freaks') (clue: 'geeks') (tho tht power line doesn't split equally) in sway). i.e., the summit is not the way out of the mire lindsay's already in, it's not a way forward but a way to remain still. the writer's of F&G may only half know this, the writers of 'if....' may be set in horror at it, but (brecht brecht) (as in jaw jaw) desquirrelling (how many ls, how many rs) this or these ideas are now our job, because culture is full of little bombs for the future's past.

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

not 'so there' as in 'nyah nyah' but as in 'so there'.

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

So was mine! What's interesting about a TV show like F&G isn't its universality (otherwise we'd all be watching the same bland generic shit) but its particurity. Its uniqueness of character, quality, location, situation - all of these are the draws. And I'll be damned if anybody (including the writers of the show) had an experience identical to anything on the show, despite what they may claim. F&G is - in some respects - even more scripted/choreographed than other episodic dramas because it uses such a believable scenario as its method of storytelling. I don't mean to sound snarky (I did above, and I'm sorry) but what's appealing about that show is how easy it is to relate to the protagonists IN SPITE of their weirdness.

― Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

err, that's an x-post to gabbneb.

― Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

haha, a lot of my interest in this show is political and it's funny too!

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I already said that I don't hate it though.

But when my mild feeling of "eh" comes slamming up against a chorus of oohs and aahs, it makes my reaction stand out in such stark contrast that it almost begins to feel like hate.

3xpost

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Sunday, 27 February 2005 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe there is some particularity of character, and maybe that was part of why I watched, but I don't think there was nearly enough - I always found most if not all of them to be as colorless as the camerawork.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 27 February 2005 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I always felt that the potential in the writing was limited by the actors, or vice versa, I couldn't figure out which.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 27 February 2005 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

anyway, it's gone now so!

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 27 February 2005 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

"even Lindsay's issues are ones I had moved beyond by the age of 12." - PLZ

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 28 February 2005 05:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Ouch, harsh.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 28 February 2005 05:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Fuck you, blount. No, seriously. For as long as I fucking post on this board, I'm not going to forgive you for dredging up my personal issues on a fucking tv show thread to make some half-assed point about nothing at all. But you've always been an ass.

But Lindsay's newfound atheism and disenchantment with the world and her attempts to play down her intelligence to hang out with burnouts... No, I don't relate. On all those fronts, I had myself figured out by 12, yes. I wasn't better off, but I was in different territory by that age and had at least enough of a sense of myself to resist the kind of situations which she was drawn to like a retarded moth to a flame.

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Monday, 28 February 2005 05:22 (twenty-one years ago)

PLZ

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 28 February 2005 05:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I really don't see the point in tearing me down to defend a fucking tv character. I'm the real person. I'm the one with feelings you decided to kick around for whatever goddamn reason.

You don't even have a point. Because I was depressed and fucked up in high school over things I couldn't control means I have to sympathize with Lindsay's mild angst over nothing at all? Means you have the right to demean my feelings and bring up my REAL issues (AS IN THEY ACTUALLY HAPPENED TO ME) because you have a hard-on for a tv show that I don't happen to like?

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Monday, 28 February 2005 05:40 (twenty-one years ago)

your adolescence was as fucked up as anyone/everyone else's so do stop patting yourself on the back about how together you were and how you couldn't possibly relate to this show or anyone who could relate to it. back away from the mirror, get over yourself. sorry if i didn't feel like joining in on your 'wow i was just so advanced man' bleating. moan less about how awkward your adolescence was and i won't call bullshit when you sniff about how you couldn't possibly relate to a show about the awkardness of adolescence.

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 28 February 2005 05:51 (twenty-one years ago)

or anyone who could relate to it

When the hell did I say this?

My god, you are such a cunt. You're the one who wants to feel superior right now.

I'm not talking about being advanced. I'm talking about Freaks & Geeks being so cursory compared to what that time is ACTUALLY like. I'm sorry if Freaks & Geeks more accurately reflects my middle school experience and can't measure up to the fucked upedness of my high school experience and I'm fucking sorry if therefore I have a little bit of a problem relating to a pretty little princess and her perfect family and her bullshit angst. High school isn't cute and awkward. It's just fucking not.

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Monday, 28 February 2005 06:00 (twenty-one years ago)

is there any way ILX could have a vote on banning Blount? after those last couple posts, i really have a hard time seeing him as anything but a basically destructive presence here, and i don't think he should be welcome on ILX anymore.

― logout, Monday, 28 February 2005 06:55 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck you, the bitch is crazy. eat a dick you cowardly shit sniffer
!!

― green uno skip card (ex machina), Monday, 28 February 2005 07:31 (twenty-one years ago)

can we ban aolers plz?

― green uno skip card (ex machina), Monday, 28 February 2005 07:38 (twenty-one years ago)

blount has a sister. he once expressed concern about her subsistence diet of wheat thins.

high school can be horrid, esp. without perspective, i.e., lowered expectations.

― youn, Monday, 28 February 2005 10:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I had forgotten about the whole Cindy Sherman thing!
Cindy Sherman was on the show at some point? Well, I guess if she was, it stands to reason that I might not recognize her.

Linda C. played an ingenue in a Hollywood-behind-the-scenes drama on AMC called "The Lot." This was shown almost in parallel with F & G. It was cheesy but I kind of liked it anyway.

― Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

the guy from mst3k (joel hodgkins?) was good in this too. ("you know what man, even yr precious stones know it!")

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

who did he play?!?!?!

― green uno skip card (ex machina), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:36 (twenty-one years ago)

he plays the disco DJ/menswear store owner at the mall. really great.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 February 2005 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

"That shipment of Parisian Night Suits isn't going to unpack itself."

― Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

"Some Girls? It's ALL DISCO maaaan!"

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 February 2005 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

everybody hurts, sometimes.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 28 February 2005 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)

"Greetings, Princess. It is I, Carlos the Dwarf. I have slain the dragon and you are free to rule your kingdom."

― Ken L (Ken L), Sunday, 13 March 2005 12:29 (twenty-one years ago)

just started watching this, rented from the public library. i was waiting on the library steps 8am the other day trying to get another fix. oh the fun of unemployment

― kephm, Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

"Friday night - always a good night for some Sabbath!"

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 17 March 2005 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, that dinner smells good. Let me guess, meat?

― kephm, Thursday, 17 March 2005 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Revenge of the Nerds (2006) - . . . . . . . . . . . . . . NERDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
produced by freaks and geeks producer; directed by the director of the paris hilton sextape

― Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Thursday, 17 March 2005 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Busy Phillips was so disturbingly accurate and dead on it's scary. She was SO dead on -- she embodied perfectly a type of person I've known a hundred times but couldn't put my thumb on.

― David Allen (David Allen), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

And the only one that stuck out as awkward was the punk episode. It was just embarassing on all parts.

― David Allen (David Allen), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

god i LOVE busy phillips in this

― jones (actual), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...

the make out party episode was probably one of my favorite episodes if not my favorite. bill getting some, really touched me.

― Lupton Pitman (Chris V), Monday, 11 July 2005 09:47 (twenty years ago)

David Allen very OTM about Busy Phillips. I've known a slough of girls who remind me of her (or vice versa).

Lupton, I think I'm in agreement with you.

― Ian Riese-Moraine: that obscure object of desire. (Eastern Mantra), Monday, 11 July 2005 11:56 (twenty years ago)

i thought it was just about perfect on every level and really hit upon the first kiss thing. i watched the scene with bill a few times...i love that bill. and the kiss itself was perfect.

― Lupton Pitman (Chris V), Monday, 11 July 2005 12:01 (twenty years ago)

i guess what i liked about it so much was that it sort of reminded me of my first kiss. well technically not my first, but more of my first make out.

my wife was asking me when we watched it if i had fun at make out parties and i told her i never went to one. basically i grew up looking like Gordon Crisp until I hit my junior year in high school and lost 100 lbs. A really good looking freshman girl decided that she liked me and we went out and then went back to her house and she sort of jumped me on the couch. I had no idea what to do, and the part where Neil said "if you do it right, you'll know" made me think of that. it was a great moment in my life.

― Lupton Pitman (Chris V), Monday, 11 July 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

Undeclared is coming out in August or September.

― milo, Monday, 11 July 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

Undeclared is out on DVD in the US today, with a lot of special features.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

I shall be heading directly to Best Buy after work.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

im with ya nick.

― bingomcgee, Wednesday, 17 August 2005 00:36 (twenty years ago)

Damn, I was there picking up the new Stooges reissues and didn't think about it already being out.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 00:48 (twenty years ago)

I have not seen UNDECLARED. what's the deal?

― Ian John50n (orion), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 01:00 (twenty years ago)

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