'Children of Men', the new Alfonso Cuaron sci-fi flick

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At the screening I attended on Friday night the theater was three-quarters full. The crowd was comprised of twentysomethings and seniors, most of whom gasped and groaned aloud during the expected moments. Scattered applause at the end.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

If it's getting the big push, I stand (humbly, gratefully) corrected. I don't have a TV, so I dunno how it's being promoted, but the lobby poster looks like a deliberate attempt to sink it commercially.

That said, there wasn't a single empty seat in the house when I saw it on Friday night.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

Don't studios routinely open "thinky" yet good movies small at the very end of the year, so that they can be eligible for Oscars? As far as getting a push now goes, any movie that does better in weekend 2 than weekend 1 will surely get more screens?

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

yes, but the ads were scarce when it opened here, presumably cuz it didn't get any critic prizes. Hoberman:


this superbly crafted action thriller is being treated like a communicable disease.

Ever sensitive to buzz, critics have gotten the message and are steering clear. When the New York Film Critics Circle met last week, Children of Men got only a handful of votes, mainly for Emmanuel Lubezki's sensational cinematography. Earlier this month, The New York Times imagined Academy members in surgical scrubs, with a "news analysis" noting the unusual goriness of the year's Oscar contenders: The Departed, Flags of Our Fathers, Blood Diamond, Apocalypto, and The Last King of Scotland. A more resonant and gripping movie than any of these, Children of Men wasn't even mentioned.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

blood diamond is an oscar contender? didn't it get terrible reviews across the board and sink commercially?

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

and I'm assuming dreamgirls is the biggest oscar contender and I don't think there's any gore in that.

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

Admit it: you thought she was never sexier than when trying to whisper through a hole in her throat.

I did think that she'd never looked better than in the scene in the newspaper hut. Moore should walk around with a big halogen light next to her all the time.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:23 (nineteen years ago)


Not "terrible across the board," but the NYT article he refers to was from early Dec, when BD was a perceived contender. Things come and go so quickly, as we know.

Dreamgirls is not part of the particular equation being addressed there (melisma is the musical equivalent of gore).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

I am kinda confused that critics thought it was being buried. How do you tell the difference between something being "dumped on Xmas Day" and all the artsy / big Oscar buzz movies that open small right before the calendar turns, just to be eligible?

saw this on Friday, if it counts as a 2006 movie it was my favorite movie of 2006

dmr (Renard), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

I just chalked it up to Rosenbaum-y whining on Hoberman's part. There's a difference in pushing something back and opening it on Christmas Day vs. just dumping it on a normal Friday.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 8 January 2007 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

opening on Xmas actually kinda works with the themes of the movie! A CHILD IS BORN

dmr (Renard), Monday, 8 January 2007 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

To speak for a moment to the discussion way upthread about the Fugee(go 'head, Clef)/soldier reaction to the baby and the overt religious overtones inherent in its presentation:

At various times in the first third of the movie, mention is made of a upsurgence of people joining radical end-of-the-world Christian organizations in response to mankind's infertility; I think it is safe to extrapolate that there would be a coincedent upsurgence of people joining other religions, Christian or otherwise. The two soldiers who drop to their knees and cross themselves strike me as a confirmation of this assumption.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 January 2007 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

This film is incredible.

One of the things I loved was how unobtrosive the long uncut scenes were. They weren't showy so they managed to bring a sense of immediacy and naturalness to the film. I was increasingly drawn into this film. It was so physical and the narrative was a simple alegory, but the details were beautiful.

Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Monday, 8 January 2007 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

amazing, amazing film. between this and pan's labyrinth, mexico totally owns lately.

2 things:

1. anyone care to speculate on cuaron's preoccupation w/ feet?
2. "marichka" (pronounced, best i can remember, as "marika") = america? or is that a stretch?

m@p (plosive), Monday, 8 January 2007 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

feet and dogs. there were a loty of dogs in this movie. when i go see irt again i'm going to pay more attention to the dogs from start to finish.

mahalo 4 ur kokua (grady), Monday, 8 January 2007 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

1. anyone care to speculate on cuaron's preoccupation w/ feet?

I wonder how Bunuel would have answered this.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 January 2007 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

Mahalo:

Pay attention to the animals from start to finish. Cows, dogs, cats, chickens, sheep, etc. The movie is so full of domestic animals it might as well be Ukranian.

They humanize the film, keeping your attention focused on the small, the fragile, the protectable and unprotected. Like the baby, they draw the line between ... not good and evil, really, but between life and anti-life.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Monday, 8 January 2007 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

A friend who saw it 2x says it's clear that America is gone.

I guess a pet explosion is inevitable in an infertile world (why the FDA just approved a weight-loss drug for dogs in our world, I'm not sure).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

I'll look if I see it again, but I thought it was just New York that was gone. Doesn't Owen ask Moore in a significant way if (someone) was in New York?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 8 January 2007 22:53 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, i suspect a nuclear explosion (but it's unclear).

Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Monday, 8 January 2007 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

There's an almost subliminal shot of a mushroom cloud over Manhattan in one of the 'England endures' propaganda bits.

chap (chap), Monday, 8 January 2007 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

Got the impression that America is not gone, but that it's been decimated, fallen into barbarism or suchlike. Chap and Andrew are right: there is a shot of a mushroom cloud over Manhattan in one of those propaganda bumpers and a later implication that anyone who was in New York was killed.

The three-years-ongoing war of Seattle is also mentioned at some point. The idea isn't that America is "gone", but rather that it's no longer a functioning semi-first-world nation.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Monday, 8 January 2007 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

adam:

i have drawn the line between reading your posts and ignoring them.

xp

mahalo 4 ur kokua (grady), Monday, 8 January 2007 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

anyone care to speculate on cuaron's preoccupation w/ feet?

Is there more than the shot of Clive Owen trying on the flip-flops?

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 8 January 2007 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

(I do remember thinking that he lingered on them for a long time, though.)

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 8 January 2007 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

Mahalo:

I think yr. not alone in that. Not sure why you felt compelled to point the fact out to me. Thanks anyway.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Monday, 8 January 2007 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

Doesn't Owen ask Moore in a significant way if (someone) was in New York?

Yes and it's killing me trying to remember who it was.

Also, I completely forget, but was the issue of the baby in the picture of Theo & whatever JM's character's name was ever adressed again? Was that picture more than 18 years old/was that baby born AFTER "baby Diego"?

stoked for the madness (nickalicious), Monday, 8 January 2007 23:21 (nineteen years ago)

I officially HAVE to see this movie again.

stoked for the madness (nickalicious), Monday, 8 January 2007 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

Nick, I believe it was said that their child was born "20 years ago." (Michael Caine tells the story of Theo and Julian's past to Miriam and Kee.)

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 8 January 2007 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

was the issue of the baby in the picture of Theo & whatever JM's character's name was ever adressed again?

yes, by michael caine and at the end when Kee names the baby dylan!

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 8 January 2007 23:49 (nineteen years ago)

Is there more than the shot of Clive Owen trying on the flip-flops?

TONS. there's the one of the bottom of owen's feet as he's reclining on strawberry cough, some shots of him walking through the puddles in london, him going out into the mud in his socks at the revolutionaries' hideaway, a handful where he's soaking his feet after various ordeals, the one where he cuts his foot on something sharp after bricking syd between the door, plus polish dude gives him shoes near the end. there's some sort of footwear/preparedness parallel happening here.

also, re: the animals, i just kind of assumed it was what morbs said: their presence the natural byproduct of barren humans' need to parent. i suppose if you wanted to get super-allegorical you could make some sort of noah parallel too, what with the rowboat and that, but that'd be a little much. i did sort of assume that the animals were drawn to theo caused they sensed his paternal past though.

m@p (plosive), Monday, 8 January 2007 23:59 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah, I remember a couple of those shots now. I just read an interview with Owen where he said that Cuaron insisted upon the flip-flops as a way of enforcing the anti-heroism of the character.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 00:03 (nineteen years ago)

Moore's parents were in New York.

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 00:04 (nineteen years ago)

come to think of it there's a lot of focus put on owen's clothes in general. like when dude at the hideaway asks him what to do about the blood stains on his suit and he's all "throw it away" and ends up changing into raggedy hand me down duds from the compound, or the bit where he's wearing a 2012 london olympics sweatshit courtesy jesper, or how he lays down his coat for kee to have the baby.

totally need to see this again!

m@p (plosive), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 00:09 (nineteen years ago)

also, duh, i just clued into the double meaning of "children of men"

m@p (plosive), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 00:15 (nineteen years ago)

which is???

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 00:38 (nineteen years ago)

children borne by men vs. men made into children

m@p (plosive), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 00:39 (nineteen years ago)

I think you are completely wrong in assuming this movie somehow supported Floydism. I think it shows that both Pink Floyd and the Aphex Twins extremism exists and neither of them is a solution. It also seems to imply that Aphex Twins extremism will only lead to more Pink Floyd extremism. Bon Jovi maybe a medium where everyone can coexist peacefully, but a world without Pink Floyd or the Aphex Twins is not a viable option. I think it preaches moderation, like Pink Floyd songs that are not as trippy and meandering and Aphex Twins songs that are not as schizophrenic and loud. All in all, it truly reflects a lot about the musical world we live in.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 00:41 (nineteen years ago)

SPOILER:

Occurs to me that in making the pregnant woman & baby (Dylan, eventually) unique on earth and thus the hope for all of humanity, the film forces us to look at the world through a parent's eyes. It's basically a movie about having kids in a horribly inhospitable world.

Even as childless viewers, we see man's inhumanity to man as sickeningly absurd, insane folly with astronomical stakes. This where most war and action movies, even the most high-minded ones, tend to trivialize death and suffering by making them seem like a necessary product of something else.

Again, I think this is one of the reasons the film includes so much animal footage. It's easy to feel parental/sentimental about cute animals. By inducing this kind of parental anxiety in the viewer, the film adds weight to the threats and condemnations of its final act.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 00:59 (nineteen years ago)

Just saw it again - it's a tragedy that Michael Caine has zero chance of a Best Supporting Oscar nomination. The last scene with him and his wife is heart-breaking.

Walking baby Bazooka out of the the tenement still makes me tear up. There are very few films with the sense of decency and humanity on display here.

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 04:03 (nineteen years ago)

Would've liked to spend a little more time in London 2027 before going to the country/Kosovo(Bexhill).

Thought the cars were absolutely spot-on. Twenty years from now there'll be the same Renault Megane, Suzuki Swift and a fucking Toyota Corolla, but with rubber crap and sensors and the front and useless little warnings telling you an "impact" is imminent that flash up on the windscreen.

S- (sgh), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 04:18 (nineteen years ago)

and Danny Huston will still have a bitching Jag.

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 04:21 (nineteen years ago)

i just saw it tonight and can't wait to see it again; to me it felt like an action version of an octavia butler novel or something. i also LOVE dystopic/ apocalytpic films, even bad ones, so i'm just really happy when one comes out and it's like pretty subtle (i.e. any other filmmaker would have focused on the drunken owen pouring his bottle into his hands to sterilize them like ten times more, made it obv. that this was a big choice for him).

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0206634/D001_00234.jpg

arguments upthread about the religious symbolism seem bunk for the most part, though the more i chew on it the more they might be true, at least a *little* bit (this isn't frickin 'stephen king's the stand' by any means which i watched on sci-fi channel last night thinking it was a bio-disaster film until i realized it was basically a 'left behind' movie) when i read on imdb where the title comes from:

"Lord, thou hast been our refuge: from one generation to another. Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever the earth and the world were made: thou art God from everlasting, and world without end. Thou turnest man to destruction: again thou sayest, Come again, ye children of men. For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday: Seeing that is past as a watch in the night."

speaking of dystopic-apocalypto films, has anyone read this book? i really want to check it out -- hopefully a library near me has it -- a bit out of my range just now:
http://www.amazon.com/Guide-Apocalyptic-Cinema-Charles-Mitchell/dp/0313315272

Michael J McGonigal (mike mcgonigal), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 05:29 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks for posting that still. I felt really cool when I noticed the "unforgetable Moore" newspaper the first time I watched the movie (I'm pretty sure that marks a transformation in film viewing for me...y'know, paying attention to little details like that)

Tape Store (Tape Store), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 05:42 (nineteen years ago)

ohh sure -- notice how there's a headline about a test tube baby not surviving on one page, and on another it looks like an atomic explosion, i think?

can't see these as clearly but one of the things i really look forward to in re-watchin it is absorbing the details better:

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0206634/00189.jpg_rgb.jpg

Michael J McGonigal (mike mcgonigal), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 05:46 (nineteen years ago)

I've got this book
http://www.amazon.com/Apocalypse-Movies-End-World-Cinema/dp/0312253699/

It's certainly worth the Amazon used book price.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 05:53 (nineteen years ago)

One of those small-ish (seeming) details I had forgotten all about - the close-to-teen/young-adult playing the game at the dinner table - the privilege of youth, the alienation of child vs parent amplified 1,000x because there is no youth culture for the young'un, and the only world to escape from the parent to is one of gaming. Made me feel very strange about my life-long relationship with Tetris and gaming in general.

stoked for the madness (nickalicious), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 06:20 (nineteen years ago)

I thought that kid was just mentally damaged. TAKE YOUR PILLS, JUNIOR

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 06:33 (nineteen years ago)

Sigur Ros makes me want to drill my brain out.
If I have no anchor points in a song it starts to do random infinite loops in my head. The singer's lack of...words makes that impossible, and while I like droning music, again, no anchor points...

That has made me less excited to see a movie that I was looking forward too.

Seven Years as a Bird in the Wood (The GZeus), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 06:40 (nineteen years ago)

Wonderful movie. But I don't look forward to having my brother ramble on about it for hours on end.

And damm it now I want to go and listen to Itchy Woooooooo all afternoon.

Rufus 3000 (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:11 (nineteen years ago)


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