2001: A Space Odyssey

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yeah, we watched "bullitt" last night over at jon williams' apartment and lo and behold, the bad guy gets on a pan am flight to rome.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 December 2005 19:39 (eighteen years ago) link

That does lack the predictive i-ron-ee gap of operating moon shuttles / going bellyup, tho.

Bullitt not haf toomuch dialog for Noisedik to grow rezless?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2005 19:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I like how McQueen randomly curses at the end during his big moment in that movie. Like the way they super focus on the fact that HE JUST CURSED OH NOES is so great and amazing.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 2 December 2005 19:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha, that was noted by those present!

GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Friday, 2 December 2005 19:51 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, we watched "bullitt" last night over at jon williams' apartment and lo and behold, the bad guy gets on a pan am flight to rome.

And they make a biiIIIIIiiggggg deal about moving the portable airport tunnel thingy over to the airplane, to show that THIS is the future! No more having to climb stairs, people!

There's a lot of that in the movie, including that one extended bit about what a fax machine is.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 2 December 2005 20:07 (eighteen years ago) link

if only Morricone had scored it and Steve McQueen played Bowman

And the painted ponies go up and down...

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2005 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Even you'd have to admit, it'd be pretty good, albeit not exactly the same, uh, feel per se...

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 2 December 2005 20:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I still enjoy 2010, tho I don't think you can compare the two. Both flicks are aimed in completely different directions. The 2nd seems more a straight "hard" science fiction story.

Also, Roy Scheider in space! Bob Balaban & John Lithgow in the same movie! Candice Bergen as the SAL 9000! Dude had dolphins in his living room!

kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 December 2005 20:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I need to reread stuff about the Bullit / Blade Runner shit this weekend.

GET EQUIPPED WITH UNICORN DREAMS (ex machina), Friday, 2 December 2005 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link

I remember liking McQueen in Junior Bonner, and otherwise only when he kept his mouth shut.

Candice Bergen as the SAL 9000!

I'm afraid to verify this!

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2005 20:31 (eighteen years ago) link

C'mon, not even Cincinatti Kid?

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 2 December 2005 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd watch a movie about CARDS?! The Hustler with CARDS!?! I don't even understand "go fish."

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2005 20:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't understand cards either! Haha you've gone on record already as disliking movies about a pasttime you do understand! Do you just hate movies involving games?

I realized the key in your last post though as to why you would like Steve McQueen; I mean he barely says anything in the vast majority of his movies. Everyone wins.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 2 December 2005 20:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I still don't know what the fuck was going on in the last 20 minutes of Trading Places.

detoxyDancer (sexyDancer), Friday, 2 December 2005 20:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Again with the apes...

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 2 December 2005 20:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I need to reread stuff about the Bullit / Blade Runner shit this weekend.
-- GET EQUIPPED WITH UNICORN DREAMS

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sleep (sleep), Friday, 2 December 2005 20:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Do you just hate movies involving games?

Usually. Especially THE BIG GAME climax. Cept for that awesome Bollywood cricket musical.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2005 20:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Like when MASH suddenly turns into a sports flick and stays there for no good reason?

detoxyDancer (sexyDancer), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Or when Bowman tries to play catch with Poole's body!

Also... Keir Dullea way hotter than Steve McQueen.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Have you ever seen Cincinatti Kid though? Yr right, big game climaxes are usually crap and totally drawn-as-planned. However, (insert spoiler here)!

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Slapshot!

kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 December 2005 22:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I was disappointed to learn that the windswept-field scenes in Mirror were
done using the downdraft from a helicopter. I had been asuming that
Tarkovsky could command the elements by the force of his will.

shieldforyoureyes, Friday, 2 December 2005 22:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Huh, yeah I couldn't think of a way he could have caused it, so I thought he must have intentionally shot on a relatively windy day. Still beautiful though.

sleep (sleep), Friday, 2 December 2005 23:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Yr right, big game climaxes are usually crap and totally drawn-as-planned.

Except The Bad News Bears, which is terrific. (The original, obvs.)

phil d. (Phil D.), Friday, 2 December 2005 23:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I said usually! I like payoffs that involve failure or dying, like Brian's Song.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Saturday, 3 December 2005 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

When I get my own digital projector and an apartment to fit it in, I'll be sure and netflix 2001 again

Nahhh. 80-foot screen minimum, 120 pref'd.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 December 2005 21:19 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...



Understatement and the Kuleshov effect in 2001


Most strikingly and most importantly, of course, the Kuleshov effect is in heavy use in the case of HAL himself. By all accounts, HAL displays a broader spectrum of emotions than any human being in the film. In him, Kubrick brings the Kuleshov effect to a kind of Zen perfection ...HAL has no face at all. His voice is flat and monotonous, just as it is programmed to be. His "eyes" are set in motionless panels that function only as reminders of his presence, not mirrors of his soul. He has absolutely no mechanism for emotional expression. None but one, that is--HAL is utterly reliant on the Kuleshov effect to make his feelings plain. ...

HAL is not the only character who displays understatement. Poole and Bowman both deliver their lines rather lifelessly, and their faces show little feeling. It seems to be an almost universal consensus that these men are cold and robotic. For the record, though, I must disagree with this. People rarely make great displays of emotion when they know for sure nobody's looking. One of the major things Kubrick is concerned with in 2001 is speculation about space travel, and one of his conclusions is that things would be very quiet. A major theme of the film is this total isolation that space engenders, beyond anything we know on Earth. Frank's and Dave's reserved temperaments owe largely, I think, to the complete absence of anyone to perform for. ...

I would also say that Kubrick is deliberately understating the astronauts' reactions, in keeping with the tone of the film. Dave, the more demonstrative of the two, shows mostly boredom, fear, determination, and thoughtfulness. In the act of "unplugging" HAL he shows mixed feelings, and through most of the end he displays open-mouthed shock, but his range doesn't extend much further.

The emotion that Dave implies, though, covers a broader range. He has a genuine fondness for HAL, and is always the one to consider HAL's point of view. He is caught in the grip of tremendous isolation. His loneliness is best shown by his sketches--his artistic urge, probably a response to the sterility of his environment, can be turned only toward images of the men in cold sleep, the most chillingly lifeless sights on the ship.

We know by these sketches that Dr. Bowman is a creative man, and by his long, thoughtful silences we are shown his thoroughness and intelligence. We know he is a "cool customer" by his self-control, even in peril of his life. In him, as in the computer, we see much more depth of character than he ever actually shows us. ...

We don't know HAL is frightened because he sounds frightened. We know he's frightened because Dave is coming to kill him. His blank voice forces us to experience his situation in his name and feel his own fear for him. We are one step closer to the action on screen, not reacting to the actors but reacting with the characters.


Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:35 (seventeen years ago) link

People rarely make great displays of emotion when they know for sure nobody's looking.

I think anyone who has ever watched the Bait Car videos would disagree with this assessment.

Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

"rarely"

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Also see: black-box-recorder transcripts, viral videos of people squeezing their eyes shut when they think they're alone and the webcam is on, and spazzes who are caught on videotape after breaking into a liquor store after closing.

Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link

You could make an argument that perhaps Dave is even more robotic than HAL, but the careful unblinking deliberation Bowman shows as he's going toward Frank and later, trying to get the pod doors open, always seemed a little artificial to me.

Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Though in 1968, it probably wouldn't have gone over so well if the main character had just gone "Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck," for ten minutes.

Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:59 (seventeen years ago) link

but then spazmos and liquor store knocker offers tend not to get picked for doin space guy stuff, eh PP? rarely, at least. there was that simpsons episode...

andrew m., Tuesday, 27 March 2007 18:30 (seventeen years ago) link

the deadpan non-reaction from dave when hal finally responds to "hal, do you read me" is really funny.

ghost rider, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 18:36 (seventeen years ago) link

WAS DAVE BOWMAN WEARING DIAPERS THE ENTIRE TIME? SURE MAKES THE WHOLE "STARCHILD" THING SEEM A BIT MORE BELIEVABLE.

Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link

You could make an argument that perhaps Dave is even more robotic than HAL





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M.V., Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:32 (seventeen years ago) link

seven months pass...

A former MGM publicist details the saving of 2001's marketing.

"Why doesn't Pauline Kael like my movie?"

Dr Morbius, Friday, 2 November 2007 15:22 (sixteen years ago) link

That article is so annoying. About half of it is the guy talking about how much Kubrick respected and liked him.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 2 November 2007 15:42 (sixteen years ago) link

This just came out on Blu-ray along with A Clockwork Orange, uncensored Eyes Wide Shut and a deluxe edition Full Metal Jacket. Want.

marmotwolof, Friday, 2 November 2007 15:43 (sixteen years ago) link

Did Kael really love The Bible?

Eric H., Friday, 2 November 2007 15:51 (sixteen years ago) link

When the film came out, Stanley set up an office in the conference room on the 26th floor of the MGM building. Tearsheets of ads and reviews from every publication lined the walls. The Monitor essay had to be reprinted immediately, as an ad in the following Sunday's New York Times (Adler's weak review had just appeared) and for insurance sake, in the next issue of the Village Voice, in case Sarris was negative. Most importantly, it had to be read as an editorial; it could not look like an advertisement. The only commercial information would be a discreet line at the very end stating "2001: A Space Odyssey is showing at Loew's Capitol theatre."

Stanley got it immediately. Our plan was that I'd make the case and he'd play back-up if necessary. My boss bought the concept; there was nothing to lose. Business was well below average for a major release. And I was the film's designated point man, having Kubrick's trust. Advertising layouts were ordered immediately. But when the mock-ups arrived, I was shaken. Instead of an editorial look, the Monitor reprint was contained within the standard corporate information: MGM credits and the distinctive unfolding Cinerama logo fought the copy. It was too radical to remove the studio's corporate identity. The intended impact would be lost.

Stanley made his move. Privately, he went to the studio bosses to talk about the film's future openings, saw the mock-ups, and walked out with the layout we wanted - his calm logic prevailing. The advertising agency also delivered with placement. On Sunday, the piece appeared opposite the New York Times' main film page, making it look like a two-page editorial spread. There was nothing stating it was a paid ad. On Thursday, it ran opposite Sarris' lengthy negative review in the Village Voice. The campaign to turn the tide was engaged.

awesome, he invented the advertorial. hurray for this guy.

s1ocki, Friday, 2 November 2007 15:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Sarris, out of touch, always

sexyDancer, Friday, 2 November 2007 16:02 (sixteen years ago) link

xp

Well, I don't think this was the first time an advertorial was done. (Eric, I was wondering the same.)

sD, nearly every 'major' critic panned the film. John Simon called it "a shaggy God story."

I just am endlessly amused that the studio was expecting Flash Gordon from SK, even at that point. Did they read the Clarke story?

Unless I'm mistaken, I went to a screening last night on the 28th floor of the old MGM building cited there.

Dr Morbius, Friday, 2 November 2007 16:05 (sixteen years ago) link

im pretty psyched to watch this again... just got that new kubes box set.

s1ocki, Friday, 2 November 2007 16:09 (sixteen years ago) link

wish there was a way to abbrev 'box set'.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 2 November 2007 16:12 (sixteen years ago) link

'BS'
I had S4rr1s in school.

sexyDancer, Friday, 2 November 2007 16:12 (sixteen years ago) link

wish there was a way to abbrev 'box set'.

-- That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, November 2, 2007 4:12 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

lol

s1ocki, Friday, 2 November 2007 16:14 (sixteen years ago) link

s1ocki not bothered by aspect ratio futzing?

Dr Morbius, Friday, 2 November 2007 16:15 (sixteen years ago) link

what's the futzing? it's UN-futzed no?

s1ocki, Friday, 2 November 2007 16:16 (sixteen years ago) link


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