Inception (with implanted spoilers)

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Surely a really fun movie would be so fun there would be no need to post to the internet about it, it's fun being so universally agreed-upon and self evident

Sensational Howard (admrl), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:19 (fifteen years ago)

its fun

Sensational Howard (admrl), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:20 (fifteen years ago)

What wasn't fun about Kung Fu Hustle?

Sensational Howard (admrl), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:21 (fifteen years ago)

Meanwhile, Hans Zimmer has passion.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:21 (fifteen years ago)

What bad can you say about a movie that just wants you to love it?

Sensational Howard (admrl), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:21 (fifteen years ago)

Also a question answered:

The charged symphonic brass of Piaf's "Non, Je Ne Regrette Rien" was targeted for use by Nolan yet almost dropped from the film when Marion Cotillard, who starred as Piaf in 2007 film "La Vie en rose," was cast as Cobb's wife, Mal. Zimmer, however, said he talked Nolan into keeping the song in the film, arguing that audiences would not be distracted by the connection.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:22 (fifteen years ago)

kinda blew its wad early iirc xp

al-goreda (s1ocki), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:22 (fifteen years ago)

soooooo much

xxp

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:22 (fifteen years ago)

The first thing I thought of when I heard the Piaf was actually Disco Inferno since a similar sample crops up throughout "A Night on the Tiles."

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:23 (fifteen years ago)

Dr Morbius do you like Die Hard movies

Sensational Howard (admrl), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:24 (fifteen years ago)

I didn't actually identify that as Piaf so I had zero association one way or the other.

HI DERE, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:24 (fifteen years ago)

Dr. Morbius keeps the list of movies he likes on a post-it note in a hermetically sealed envelope

San Te, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:41 (fifteen years ago)

One of those mini post-its iirc.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:42 (fifteen years ago)

we should break into Morb's mind and retrieve that envelope xpost

orakle-krake (Gukbe), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 18:00 (fifteen years ago)

lol

al-goreda (s1ocki), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 18:01 (fifteen years ago)

The one point that really stretched credibility for me in this movie is why the hell would JGL continue working with Leo after Leo's subconscious tortured the shit out of him right at the beginning of the movie?

HI DERE, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 18:02 (fifteen years ago)

Ah, maybe he's into it.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 18:12 (fifteen years ago)

the implication is that "international dream thief" is kind of a path-dependent career choice

goole, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 18:13 (fifteen years ago)

Other i.d.t. teams offer more security but less high pay.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 18:14 (fifteen years ago)

"you'll be the forger, you'll be the archiect, you'll be the alchemist, and i'll be the only guy who can't keep his subconscious from trying to kill everybody."

da croupier, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 18:14 (fifteen years ago)

...Let's make lots of money."

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 18:15 (fifteen years ago)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4139/4808331719_5736d3712f.jpg

ô_o (Nicole), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 18:17 (fifteen years ago)

sad man in him dream

goole, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 18:20 (fifteen years ago)

A+

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 18:20 (fifteen years ago)

Inception + Police Academy =

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51B-zsqdrdL._SS500_.jpg

gato busca pleitos (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 18:21 (fifteen years ago)

wow

al-goreda (s1ocki), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 18:23 (fifteen years ago)

it's as if
they knew

al-goreda (s1ocki), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 18:23 (fifteen years ago)

They were planting an idea in Jacques Morali's head.

ô_o (Nicole), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 18:31 (fifteen years ago)

this thread is a clusterfuck and needs to be summed up

serious nonsense (CaptainLorax), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:33 (fifteen years ago)

some ppl dug it, some ppl thought it was lame

al-goreda (s1ocki), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:34 (fifteen years ago)

where's Armond White?

Would love to hear Bam babble about this (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:34 (fifteen years ago)

seething in a movie theater somewhere

al-goreda (s1ocki), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:35 (fifteen years ago)

I think it's incredibly rude and condescending to say that this movie inspires no discussion or achieves none of the things it tries to do, when very clearly so many people are reacting to it by engaging in discussion and praising it's achievements. Aside from a handful of early reviews I don't think anyone's claiming it's a work of cinematic genius; people are just pleased to see a movie that they really enjoy on several levels and think is very good. If you don't like the movie, that's absolutely fine, but it doesn't make people who do enjoy it morons, which seems to be the overriding tone here in a lot of posts.

Things I liked about Inception include...

The lack of explanation of the dream device - too many sci-fi films have suffered by trying to explain how things work unnecessarily, by taking tise out of the equation Inception avoids that.

The interaction between JGL and Tom Hardy. Several laughs out of that, really enjoyed watching both of them all the way through.

The rolling-corridor fight scene - this doubly impresses me now that I know they built a corridor that revolved through 360 degrees on giant hydraulic platforms in order to do it. Honestly one of the most gorgeous action scenes I've seen in a long time; I also love that it's played out in arch a bland brown environment, not at all showy.

The general lack of showiness in terms of colour palette was very welcome, actually, but i guess is a Nolan trait at this point. There were many moments I thought were beautiful or impressive but I never felt whacked over the head with them.

The zero gravity bit; must find out how this was done.

The shared dream logic and dream design resonated very much with me, especially the limbo level of Di Caprio and Cotillard's subconscious romance; the receding rows of buildings, the familiar houses behind fences and moved into strange new positions, all seemed like experiences from my own dreams. I tend to fly, or be being chased, or be in familiar but not quite right situations in my own dreams, rather than have outrageous fantastical stuff happen. This captured the dream state for me as well as anything else, and is up with Waking Life as far as that goes (much as I love Waking Life, a lot of it does not remind me of my own dreams, but feels much more like a cinematic representation of what we think of dreams of being, at least visually; narrative or lack thereof is perhaps closer to real dreaming, but the it's a film just about dreaming as opposed tom plot within a shared dream).

The questions it has raised; having seen it twice now and read much discussion and prose, I've had many thoughts myself and come across even more; who is being incepted, Fischer or Cobb? How much of the film is a dream? Are all the 'rules' actually rules, or are some of them just misdirects from Cobb's subconscious? The idea of the film being about Nolan and how he makes films himself is another interesting idea that I don't think I'd have come to myself, even though my primary thought at the end of the film was about how aware the film is of it's own status as a film. There are plausible clues for every interpretation, which all add up to it being a smart film, in my mind.

The romance also resonated with me - the line about wanting to live in a house but also loving "these kinds of buildings", that shared taste and ideals, the idea of building worlds together, growing old in dreams, the fear of not remembering that process, all struck me much harder on second viewing, possibly because on first viewing I was so tied up with following the narrative and unravelling what was real.

I could name a dozen other little things regarding set design, or lines of dialogue, or potential plot queries, but I shan't.

Things I don't like about Inception...

Ellen Paige's lack of hips and bad wardrobe, and I'm not entirely convinced by her as an actress either. But she wasn't annoying, just... not the best choice, possibly. Or not to my tastes.

The snow fight is too long, and almost incongruous, plus a little confusing. But it IS a dream after all, so I'll let it off. The ziggurat thing is a hospital, or so Paige described it as, but it does just look like a Bond villain bunker.

The movie itself is probably too long by 20-30 minutes; on second viewing we could maybe have done with a little less exposition and with most of the action sequences being trimmed, but I didn't think this on first viewing.

I don't think Nolan is great at big dramatic action climaxes, though I think he is very good with dénouements. The ferries in TDK and the snow fight in this both go on a touch too long, and see, anti-climactic compared to smaller, better observed, more genuinely dramatic or exciting moments earlier in each film.

Too loud, also a problem with TDK. While I applaud Nolan's use of full dynamic range, explosions, big doomy moments of score, gunfights, car crashes, etc, are all too loud. It's exciting in the cinema first time if their system can handle it, but it's a step too far for my tastes.

Di Caprio's big head. I like him more and more as an actor but he does have such an awfully big head.

Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:41 (fifteen years ago)

I think it's incredibly rude and condescending to say that this movie inspires no discussion or achieves none of the things it tries to do

who made either claim?

da croupier, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:43 (fifteen years ago)

maybe I missed it, but someone posting "Inception inspires no discussion" on a thread discussing Inception has bigger problems than rudeness

da croupier, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:44 (fifteen years ago)

Actually that particular precise claim may have come on another board and vie got confused (it's a board Alfred and I both also use), but certainly some comments her have given me that same feeling.

Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:46 (fifteen years ago)

whose?

da croupier, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:47 (fifteen years ago)

some people wanted emotional drama and challenging puzzles (less messy imaginative stuff that makes up its own rules)
some people were just bored
some people liked the action and/or artsy sequences and/or didn't need a bunch of humanizing stuff
some people thought Leo and/or Juno hurt the film
some people got bothered by "that wouldn't happen" and "why would he do that"
some people were bothered by the ending and are set thinking that it was all a limbo dream
some people weren't bothered by the ending and are set thinking that the last sequence (or whole movie) wasn't a limbo dream

summed it up for yall

serious nonsense (CaptainLorax), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:47 (fifteen years ago)

Damn ipad typos. You think you can type dead fucking quick with it but you need to double back and check things more.

Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:47 (fifteen years ago)

I'd have to scour through 500 posts again and I'd rather not just to answer that.

Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:48 (fifteen years ago)

oops I forgot one
some people wanted a movie about dreams; NOT A MOVIE where all the dreams were made by architects

serious nonsense (CaptainLorax), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:50 (fifteen years ago)

Is it the new Vanilla SKy?

Sensational Howard (admrl), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:51 (fifteen years ago)

maybe it's the Vanilla Sky that I actually liked?

he does NOT have the training (HI DERE), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:52 (fifteen years ago)

some people want Joseph Gordon-Levitt

Would love to hear Bam babble about this (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:52 (fifteen years ago)

maybe

Sensational Howard (admrl), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:52 (fifteen years ago)

JGL is an incredibly thin person

like, you have to be built like a pencil to make Leo look semi-jacked

he does NOT have the training (HI DERE), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:53 (fifteen years ago)

I think it's incredibly rude and condescending to say that this movie inspires no discussion or achieves none of the things it tries to do, when very clearly so many people are reacting to it by engaging in discussion and praising it's achievements.

this sentence is utter bullshit. saying it's a failure is not "rude and condescending" to anyone other than nolan. and as you say, no one here said it inspires no discussion.

wanting to live in a house but also loving "these kinds of buildings"

^^^ the worst line of dialogue in the film for me. don't really need to hear characters didactically voice nolan's opinions about architecture. felt like a john goodman scene from treme.

caek, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:53 (fifteen years ago)

It's rude to say "utter bullshit"

Sensational Howard (admrl), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:54 (fifteen years ago)

JGL is an incredibly thin person

like, you have to be built like a pencil to make Leo look semi-jacked

― he does NOT have the training (HI DERE), Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:53 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

leo is hueg now!!

goole, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:55 (fifteen years ago)

Worst line of dialogue was something about going deeper into Leo not deeper into the dream or something like that

Sensational Howard (admrl), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 20:55 (fifteen years ago)


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