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The three movies both Owen and Lisa have on their EW top tens: Munich, King Kong and Brokeback Mountain.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 25 December 2005 04:25 (twenty years ago)

Actually, the whole Gylenhaal plotline post-butt sex is pretty fucking ridiculous exaggerated redneck family drama, like Raising Arizona but "serious."

mostly agreed, that plotline didn't go much of anywhere but otherwise i thought this was pretty great.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 25 December 2005 06:48 (twenty years ago)

Jonathan Rosenbaum:

"this is the kind of tasteful tearjerker that's often overrated and smothered with prizes because it flatters our tolerance and sensitivity. Lee focuses on the men's wasted lives and the heartbreak of their spouses and other relatives, but the movie makes one hanker for the sort of unabashed queer stories found outside the mainstream."

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 25 December 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)

I was very moved despite having serious problems with Lee's fascination with repression; I just wrote a review with this thesis.

Actually, I liked Gyllenhaal much more than Ledger. For once he acts like a sex symbol, putting those blue eyes to good use.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 25 December 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

And, no, the film isn't "controversial," unless we mean in that Oscar bait sort of way.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 25 December 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

It isn't controversial to whom? When I said it wasn't controversial, I meant to me personally, but your phrasing sounds like you're saying it's not controversial at all, or that controversy isn't part of its intent.

― n/a (Nick A.), Sunday, 25 December 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

It's definitely the film's intention to be controversial, and watching Heath Ledger ride Jake Gyllenhaal bareback will likely cause some people to squirm, but the film unconsciously reassures their prejudices: two queers can't live together cuz they ain't normal and their lives are sad, so let's watch this movie as our good deed of the year.

A more legitimately controversial film would have shown Ennis and Jack having fun fooling around whenever they got away to Brokeback Mountain, but perhaps Lee thought this would have violated Proulx's intentions.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 25 December 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

No, dude, independent films are those black and white hippie movies. They're always about gay cowboys eating pudding.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!! (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Sunday, 25 December 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)

i just found out that I had the definition of bareback wrong all these years.

― ShawShank Rambo Connection (Carey), Sunday, 25 December 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

i guess that is why all my college papers did not make sense.

― ShawShank Rambo Connection (Carey), Sunday, 25 December 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

I was positively bored the whole time. Nearly fell asleep. It's just not compelling enough...and downright seemed to be hitting some of the worst notes of Giant along the way, no less.

The best part of the movie (for me) was recognizing that the Mexican prostitute was played by the director of photography (Rodrigo Prieto).

― Eh, Sunday, 25 December 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

the ending was so lovely: the oblique framing, everything...

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 26 December 2005 01:41 (twenty years ago)

Also, it was the end.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 26 December 2005 01:42 (twenty years ago)

DID I MENTION I DIDN'T LIKE THIS MOVIE LOL

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 26 December 2005 01:43 (twenty years ago)

dude, it's christmas. show some love for drunken buttsex movies.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 26 December 2005 01:45 (twenty years ago)

p.s. are you guys in chicago?

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 26 December 2005 01:45 (twenty years ago)

I am in Virginia, I'll be back Tues. Sarah isn't getting back from France until Weds. night. I think John and some other CHILXors might be around though. How long are you going to be in town?

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 26 December 2005 01:47 (twenty years ago)

another two weeks, i think

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 26 December 2005 01:48 (twenty years ago)

Oh, OK, great. This weekend's going to be a little crazy, we're playing shows on the 30th and 31st, but we should hang out sometime after that.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 26 December 2005 01:50 (twenty years ago)

So what's the consensus?

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:25 (twenty years ago)

Yes, they were definitely gay.

― [use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:28 (twenty years ago)

Your review was great, A.S.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:28 (twenty years ago)

Predictably, I am going to question whether either of them was actually gay.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:32 (twenty years ago)

this is the kind of tasteful tearjerker that's often overrated and smothered with prizes because it flatters our tolerance and sensitivity

So it's the Guess Who's Coming To Dinner of 2005, then.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:33 (twenty years ago)

thanks, John! have you seen it yet?

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:33 (twenty years ago)

well, it seems obvious to me that Gyllenhaal is the gay one.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:34 (twenty years ago)

Yup, I saw it last Friday, right after I finished my Christmas shopping. Yeah, you're right, Jack is probably gay: the Mexico scene of courses reinforces this. But I was the one who argued against Chris Cooper's character being gay in American Beauty long after it became apparent that he obviously was (but that was just me wishing the film was more ambiguous than it actually was).

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:37 (twenty years ago)

King Kong was the gay one.

― [use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:38 (twenty years ago)

So it's the Guess Who's Coming To Dinner of 2005, then.

A suspicion that's haunted me since I saw the film; but it's much too cold and spare.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:39 (twenty years ago)

King Kong was the gay one.

You great feeb, it was Aslan.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:39 (twenty years ago)

Yup, I saw it last Friday, right after I finished my Christmas shopping. Yeah, you're right, Jack is probably gay: the Mexico scene of courses reinforces this.

Don't forget he also cruises Ennis a few minutes into the film.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:40 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, you mentioned that ("this will do"), but I honestly don't remember it that clearly. And he does make the first move in the tent.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:42 (twenty years ago)

Also: I'm getting a bit weary of the Heath Ledger award drumbeat, especially when Gyllenhaal is really the heart of the movie. His delivery of his last monologue is the most powerful acting he's ever done.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:42 (twenty years ago)

I can't agree with you there, unfortunately. He was fine for the first half of the film, but I found him as a bitter middle-aged man a bit unconvincing: I kept looking at him searchingly but all I saw was Jake Gyllenhaal with a ridiculous 'stache.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:46 (twenty years ago)

Gyllenhaal has such bizarre, oversized features. Were I homosexual, he would not be my premier candidate for intercourse.

― [use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:48 (twenty years ago)

I love the 'stache! I dunno...he seemed more comfortable with the stolidity of movement that's part of being middle-aged. And in the scene in which he answers Ennis' question about whether he's been with other women, he answers with an economy of gesture/bitterness that surprised me (it helps that his response is a lie: he's actually boning the ranch hand, not the ranch hand's wife).

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:48 (twenty years ago)

Don't get me wrong, I still think he's hot.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:49 (twenty years ago)

nah

― [use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:49 (twenty years ago)

I got bored. I really liked the short story though.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:55 (twenty years ago)

It's only now that I've noticed his hotness since his other movies have been mostly appalling.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:56 (twenty years ago)

I gotta say I'm not interested in this movie at all, and am surprised much of mainstream America is. I can see gay cowboys walking down the street any day of the week, and have found Ang Lee to be a pretty unreliable and unforgiveably mawkish director - the combo sounds boring and, er, flaccid...

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:56 (twenty years ago)

I can see gay cowboys walking down the street any day of the week

I forgot you lived in Miami.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:57 (twenty years ago)

Unfortunately the combo in the movie is (boring and) flaccid too.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:58 (twenty years ago)

"I forgot you lived in Miami."

close - San Francisco.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:58 (twenty years ago)

I forgot you lived in Daly City.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:02 (twenty years ago)

Soto's the one who lives in Miami!

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)

The best gay cowboys ever were in that one scene in Collateral.

― [use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:04 (twenty years ago)

It's pretty much been all downhill for gay cowboys since that moment on.

― [use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:04 (twenty years ago)

Soto's the one who lives in Miami!

I forgot you lived in Rockford.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:05 (twenty years ago)

My cousin lives in Miami and he thinks that San Francisco is Miami's polar opposite.

What a bunch of crap.

― [use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:07 (twenty years ago)

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