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hang on, i'm pretty sure i asked you those questions a full year ago...

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

where are you from, momus?

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

What's wrong with someone trying to show they're a good citizen?

When, based on months upon months of idiocy, there is little reason to believe it. Very, very little. And when he does try and be 'serious' he does so only to set people up and make them believe he's somehow better. For myself, and only for myself I'll emphasize, I find that boring.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, jokes aside... Momus is completely right. Half the time I don't even notice who started a thread. I often don't look unless the thread is really funny or in very poor taste.

I'm not even Calum's 2nd biggest fan, but stopping all threads he creates just because he created them isn't really fair, and I don't think it's productive.

Recently I replied to a thread started by what seemed to be a random Googler asking a bunch of sex-related questions. None of my replies were serious, some were intended to be funny and others were just kinda mean. At least one other ilx0r objected saying that even a thread started by a random Googler could turn into a reasonable discussion if people just answered the question seriously instead of dogpiling on the person who started it because they write in AOLese (lol!!!1) or have shitty grammar.

While I disagree that humor (even lowbrow and childish humor) shouldn't be an option for replying to any thread, I do agree with the point that just about any thread can morph into a serious (or at least worthwhile) discussion even if it doesn't start as one or doesn't look promising from the outset.

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm bored of the Vs threads now for sure. in the past it was fun to make the odd sarcy remark on them. but we must all move on. fun can be found quite easily elsewhere after all.

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned has this weirdass obsession with me.

pot meet kettle, calum!!

I'll see if I can find anything interesting to say about "Aguirre" after I've watched it. Word rates as applicable from previous writing work I assume?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Two reasons why Edinburgh is the home of 'trolls' (you would call us that; we call ourselves 'kappas'):

1. A lot of bridges with shadowy arches, stalagtites, etc.
2. A history of oppression by the English, resulting in intense resentment of authority figures.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, you all might find this thread of interest.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

i look at calum's threads usually because i suppose i am intrigued by that kind of behaviour and attitude. it's not the sort of thing i would do, it's different therefore i'm curious. perhaps the frustrating thing is that i never really find the answer, because it appears there isn't one (and most of the time nor is there a question).

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

it wasn't interesting this time Ned :|

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I do think people are being a bit hard on Ned here. Plenty of posters have expressed intense annoyance at calz' previous shenanigans, and many continue to do so.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Norm - I'd say keep it within 500 - 600 words. But please go right ahead and I'll put it online!

P.S. Like I said, I don't have much of a problem with Ned. I'm sure he's a perfectly decent guy *OVER A BEER*

― C-Man (C-Man), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

This is all so futile. Despite whatever the "best way" to treat Calum might be, whether it's humoring him or ignoring him or encouraging his more relevant posts, you're never going to get everyone to act that way. Someone's always going to get mad, or just be in a pissy mood, and take the Calum bait or start a fight. In that weird way, he serves a purpose here; he's a punching bag.

― Comment dits-on...eh... le NA? (Nick A.), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

i think calum would be very amusing under a pint of beer, that is tipping

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

This is like going into some Wild West saloon bar and getting the table shot out from under you every time you try to put your glass down. You ask the sherrif for why and he says 'I was shooting at McGee' or 'McGee put that table there, it's not a real table' or 'McGee touched that glass, sorry, had to shoot it out of your hand'.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

her name was McGill, and she called herself Lill, but everyone knew her as Momus

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Every argument I've seen advanced on this thread reminds me of the slew of arguments regarding him back in November. Quite a LOT of talk about trying to encourage his 'good' side and all that. And he plays along with it by doing things like what he's doing right now, saying things like: "I don't have much of a problem with Ned." Of course. Why WOULDN'T he say that right now?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

...You begin to wonder who this dangerous, dangerous McGee might be. Then the doors swing open and in he walks: a little Scotsman who writes film reviews and is a bit disappointed by the new Morrissey record.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Momus, I really hate to say it, but you are TERRIBLE at making up metaphors!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean consistently terrible!! Where do you get them from!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

he's a hooker with a heart of gold, tho.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

they are scrawled on the reverse of his eye patches

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Let the snake wait under
his weed
and the writing
be of words, slow and quick, sharp
to strike, quiet to wait,
sleepless.
—through metaphor to reconcile
the people and the stones.
Compose. (No ideas
but in things) Invent!
Saxifrage is my flower that splits
the rocks.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

If there's one thing, ONE thing that actually is annoying me about this situation, that's grating, it's this -- you can say I'm overreacting as a moderator if you like, that's perfectly fine. I was more than used to that over the years running mailing lists, and as there I find myself questioning or considering my own decisions more than you might think. And certainly sometimes it's hard to separate my personality and its quirks and biases from my moderator hat.

But I'd like to think that while I'm not a perfect person by any means, and that there's plenty of stupid things I've done and plenty of things I still have to work on improving, that hopefully I've shown enough of whatever my good side is to enough of you -- on-line, in person, whatever -- that you can understand that I find the patronizing idiocy of this abusive, obnoxious little fuckup, his shifting stances, his claims it's ALL a joke, his pathetic attempts to butter up just after he's been spewing, his clinging to high-minded statements to justify his behavior here to be beneath contempt.

Yeah, there's something 'good' there in him. But I'll be damned if it ever actually shows. And I'm not interested in playing his game in order to see what appears. I haven't maintained every friendship I could and that eats at me sometimes. But at least I know I didn't start each friendship with an attitude best summed up as "Hey, can I piss in your mouth some more? Oh you don't like that? FUCK YOU FOR NOT GETTING MY JOKE HA HA HA HA I'm so much better than you!"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Momus' metaphors most of the time. His ratio of amusing/interesting metaphors to ones that fall flat is pretty good I think.

P.S. Like I said, I don't have much of a problem with ~~Ned~~ Calum. I'm sure he's a perfectly decent guy *OVER A ~~BEER~~ LANDMINE*

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned OTM and that's the last thing I'm saying in this thread.

― Comment dits-on...eh... le NA? (Nick A.), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Momus. So there.

― C-Man (C-Man), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

haha

what's white and looks good on c-man?

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

THE ANSWER'S IN THE QUESTION!

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Threads? Locked?

WHO WILL RID US OF THIS SCOURGE?

WHERE, OH WHERE CAN AN INNOCENT ILXor GO TO TALK WITH OTHERS? WILL THIS THREAD DROUGHT NEVER END?

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not interested in playing his game

But what if that's exactly what you were doing? What if you were contributing to the likelihood that he'll play one game rather than another, and a worse one at that?

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

(I am trying very hard not to make a metaphor involving the Iraq War. Damn it!)

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:59 (twenty-one years ago)

come on, out with it!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

When we've finished talking about how best to moderate trolls, can we have a nice long thread on rockism? Oh, hold on...

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I totally understand it, Ned. I just don't think that locking every thread he starts, no matter what's in it, is the best response. I realize it's easier to take this position when I don't actually have to take on the responsibilities of moderation myself but that's still the way it seems to me at the moment. BTW I hadn't even realized it was you who locked the threads.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I locked one last week. I'm sorry, but I see the phrase "nicky wire in a banana suit" and the red mist comes down.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the obvious answer to all this is 'why not make me a moderator?'

― C-Man (C-Man), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, you must be fucking joking!! Haven't you got your own mail list anyway?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

so calum's on the cross again, already? i wish one of our math nerds would solve the decreasing cycle equation involved in ilx events, maybe we could come up with notification system. (or a script to post the thread before it occurs, rendering us all obsolete.)

― bnw (bnw), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Momus, cut the philosophy for once, think of my sentiment behind my statement and consider that I was perhaps already aware of your point.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

answering with a question is poor form

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Did you see the Manics at Isle of White on the telly? Try telling me these fat, washed up bearded fannies would not improve vastly if Wire donned a big banana suit.

P.S. I'd be a fair and respectable moderator.

― C-Man (C-Man), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the obvious answer to all this is 'why not make me a moderator?'

-- C-Man

Okay I have to admit that this is really funny.

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

(Once upon a time they all used to hate on me. Now an upstart from my hometown has taken my place. Sob.)

at the end of the movie it's gonna turn out Momus is Calum's dad and Momus has known it all along but Calum didn't because his mom is Trevor Brown's wife* and she & the M agreed to never again speak of that blissful, heated exchange at the Queensferry Museum on that fateful afternoon all those years ago

*yes I know there are problems with this but just let me run with it k thx bye

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't got a telly, and the new IoW festival looked like teh sukc anyway!! The manics? WHO THE FUCK EVEN GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THEM ANYMORE ANYWAY????

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Ally does.

― C-Man (C-Man), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)

WHO THE FUCK EVEN GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THEM ANYMORE ANYWAY????

Calum does! He thinks of them every day! If it weren't for Calum nobody would write anything about them at all

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Ally does.

Suddenly all humble and quiet and nice. I wonder why? I wonder who will fall for it?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I do this thread once a year, and then I'm blissfully free to get on with my life. I suppose some people live here and are fighting the same battle every day, and I do understand how that must be wearing and draining. In other ways, though, it might be weirdly thrilling, like a soap opera full of sturm und drang, with a familiar villain (Dirty Den, wasn't it?). In some ways the Troll and the Moderator might have a vested interest in skirmishing forever, just to give each other a reason to live. A real fight would be quickly over, but a soap opera skirmish, well, you string that out for years, don't you, and the ratings soar, don't they?

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

hence my next twelve thematically linked albums

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)

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