Inception (with implanted spoilers)

Probably gonna go and see this again tomorrow.

re: the length. like any film, it just seems longer to some people if there's a lot going on and a lot to take in.

pretty sure the guy in the member's only jacket killed. calling bullshit on the russian from pine barrens playing a role.

i really felt avatar's length and would have walked out if i'd been on my own

and i generally deplore long-ass run-times

biut i was chill with this

I liked Avatar in parts.

I do have to give this film props for trying to do what it tries to do on such a budget. But I'm still not sure if I don't prefer my popcorn movies to be expensive genre films rather than expensive art films. So is this the new Matrix or what? I honestly hadn't heard about it until I saw this thread popping up a week ago.

Haha that looks like "I liked Avatar in pants". The only way to see a movie.

So is this the new Matrix or what?

kinda doubt nolan would want to sequelize it, but i wonder if it's in his control

it is the new matrix insofar as it's an original (so far as these things go) blockbuster (i mean, it isn't based on a named toy/theme park ride/comic book/computer game) with philosophical themes that does interesting things, formally

Good 30 min interview with Nolan

http://memegenerator.net/Philosoraptor/ImageMacro/1705024/Philosoraptor-WENT-AND-SAW-INCEPTION-POSTED-ABOUT-IT-ON-THE-INTERNET.jpg

surprised that max liked this so much :/

saw this tonight + enjoyed it immensely altho it was def. 30 too long for me.

here is the main thing i don't understand. did they get out of limbo because they were run over by a train (in this scene they both looked young) or did they grow old in limbo together and just wake up when the sedatives wore off (a short time in real world but 50 years or so in limbo) as was suggested by a different scene?

~both~

it didn't feel long, but it was boring and i was glad when it finished. full marks for trying formally interesting things, and i thought a lot of the plot problems were solved in visually interesting or conceptually clever ways. but if you're going to make a movie about the mind that is kind of centred around a relationship drama then that relationship should be one that faces real problems. use the very clever macguffin to explore human drama, not to explore the very clever macguffin. otherwise you've got two hours of nonsense concerning trains and images from dreams and dreadful firefight set piece direction. note: not complaining about sci-fi films or fantastical events/technologies. eternal sunshine is the obvious film to which this compares unfavourably. but even the druggy episodes of star trek:tng get this right.

maybe i don't like all the ones i've seen for other reasons, but i don't think i've ever enjoyed a riddle movie either. certainly not enough to rewatch. are there more of these films than their used to be? do films with this kind of left-brained rewatch appeal make more money? can't imagine they actually do.

The idea of 'real problems' is one that occurred to me as well; Mal's death is hardly a common situation, shall we say. But the idea of empathizing over a mistaken decision with tragic consequences is at least there.

idiotic zimmerthon score all the way through and inaudible dialogue mix at times. there was an hour around the middle that feelt like a montage.

As for rewatching, I think you could always see it in different ways each time as to where a framing dream stops and ends, but I'll have to rewatch it myself to see if that holds!

xxp, hmm. i don't ~think~ i'm being to hard on that aspect. a preposterous mistaken decision taken as a result of insanity just feels terribly arbitrary to be the core of the film. the similar thing was better used in shutter island because you felt like leo da vinci actually changed as a character having dealt with the fallout, but in this he just changes his address.

worried i'm Robert McKeeing this now, and maybe it was just retarded.

idiotic zimmerthon score all the way through

^OTM think u can count the score-less scenes on one hand

my problem with the film is that it didn't explore any dream symbolism whatsoever. it was so literal. too literal.

It was really wasn't a story about dreams-as-such though -- I forget where I stumbled across the quote this weekend but it was a psychiatrist noting that because dreams are so potentially all over the place that films that get closer to dream symbolism aren't going to be tautly plotted out thrillers. A friend of mine who went in wanting that kind of story about dreams really hated the film as a result.

yeah i hate this film. it's a boring action movie with a horrible snow shoot out. it makes no sense.

the anonymous "projections" really irritated me as well

at least color coordinate the players in a snow shoot out so i can actually give a fuck about what is going on

"A boring action movie with a horrible show shoot out!!!! A++++++"

CUTTY, KILX-TV

shouldve gone with red/blue lasers

my dreams have fucking lasers

u hired as architect for p2

actually not sure which position is in charge of lasers tbh

Might re-watch this on a decent screen (I was in the front row of a huge screen because I got there late). I normally feel that films go on too long, and can NEVER hear dialogue, but didn't really have a problem with either here (although I missed the Japanese guy's line about the airline).

Leo wasn't allowed to know the layout of the dream designs because his messed-up psyche could try and interfere, so presumably all the rest of the team are 100% well-adjusted and psychologically 'normal'? Wasn't too sure about this.
Another thing that struck me as odd was that when the team first got attacked when the heist started, Leo's assumption was that someone had trained Cillian Murphy in dream-protection or whatever. This hints that Leo's team are perhaps one of many doing this kind of dream shenanigans (attack and/or security), whereas before they seemed to be a one-off crack squad.

for anyone who's seen paprika, is this film live-action paprika because if so I may fork out the money to see it

well ive seen paprika and its a kind of spice and this is a movie about dreams

i did NOT like this at all.

aw cmon max

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn7U1KIGeuQ

when you think about it 'paprika' and 'inception' share some letters for example 'p' and maybe 'i'

paprika is way more imaginative and weird

"A boring action movie with a horrible show shoot out!!!! A++++++"

CUTTY, KILX-TV

"A...hoot...!"

I don't know why, but certain movies are not allowed to get away with not making sense. Even if they're Japanese and feature a perma-smiling red onion in ankle chains or whatever

I wonder what Jonah Hill would have been like in Inception

my problem with the film is that it didn't explore any dream symbolism whatsoever. it was so literal. too literal.

― cutty, Monday, July 19, 2010 12:39 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

^^

I don't think I like level-crossing sci-fi movies / tv anymore. I think calling attention to the varying levels of 'reality' within the movie itself makes it harder to accept that the 'top level' of the movie is real and not just, you know, a story that was written and filmed and acted by a bunch of writers/directors/actors.

Exactly. Suspending belief in a regular movie and believing the characters are real is more effectively dream-like.

I don't think this movie is supposed to reflect what actual dreams are like and more than most movies are supposed to reflect what actual life is like.

*any more

It's funny because Nolan kind of cops to that line of criticism with the 'Mr Charlie' (I think that's the name, I can't remember) bit in the 2nd level of the dream. That is, you shouldn't put the person you're trying to get to believe in your made up unreality in the frame of mind to start looking for flaws in that unreality.

The audience, at that point, starts to take on the role of the 'subconcious agents' (or whoever the dudes with guns are) in the film, and starts to look for flaws and shoot holes in em.

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5sgo28Oqw1qz7f9to1_500.jpg

sort of surprised there hasn't been a screencap of this with a "yo dawg we heard you like dreams" caption

Just got back from this, liked it a lot. Maybe more when I'm less exhausted. But I had to share the most memorable moment of the night - during the trailer for Devil, the entire audience groaned/booed/laughed when M. Night Shyamalan's name popped up on the screen. It was glorious.

That seems to have been a common reaction everywhere! Thank god.

Yes, I was pleased to hear how many have turned against him. Apologies if that was already addressed in here, was avoiding spoilers until I saw it.