WTF?: "Seinfeld"'s Michael 'Kramer' Richards in Weird-o-Rama Onstage Meltdown

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if i called kramer anything i'd call him a shitty stand-up. he should stick to pratfalls. that fat-ass cracker kid from last comic standing baits people to no end and gets away with it. it's all in your delivery.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:22 (seventeen years ago) link

If you think he's vile now, you should have seen Richards in that Diane Keaton film.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:22 (seventeen years ago) link

fine, raised the specter of lynching. at the top of his voice. are you seriously telling me it makes a difference? I need to get out of this thread.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:22 (seventeen years ago) link

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― parsley, sage francis, rosemary, and thyme (dubplatestyle), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:23 (seventeen years ago) link

do not engage or acknowledge, ppl

― gear (gear), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:24 (seventeen years ago) link

motivations matter. Or perhaps not.

They do matter, but I've come to understand that somehow we're able to intuit motivations simply from behavior.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:24 (seventeen years ago) link

"Ganush's post demonstrates exactly how tenuous a concept racist/non-racist is."

You think that's what his post indicates? Because I think it's pretty irrelevant to this.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:24 (seventeen years ago) link

stet, there is pretty much no indication in any report of this incident that the hecklers said anything racist until they were being called horrible things and then retorted by calling him a cracker. Where are you getting this information? Or are you just assuming this and deciding to go with it?

― Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:24 (seventeen years ago) link

geoff is 100% otm, btw.

― Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:25 (seventeen years ago) link

reacting like he'd been victimized racially, somehow. the black heckler didn't make it so by being black, or by heckling.

OTM. He reacted like that, which makes me think he was being victimized. I could be wrong -- Americans have a good history of being right on how best to handle matters of race.

― stet (stet), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:25 (seventeen years ago) link

"Americans have a good history of being right on how best to handle matters of race."

??!?!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:25 (seventeen years ago) link

The most telling part of the video (to me) is when he repeatedly shouts, "He's a n*****!" over and over, as if he expects everyone in the audience to say, "Oh, that's what it is! It's because he's black!" To me, that is evidence that he's gone in the head. He had these racist thoughts and was waiting to spew them, assuming that everyone would agree with him, because how could they not? That sort of mental isolation seems like an indication to me.

― Nathan P1p (hoyanathan), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, that's charming.

xpost, Alex, he's being a douche, no worries.

― Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:26 (seventeen years ago) link

It's relevant to my point, Alex, since it unwittingly proves that racist/non-racist is not a cut-and-dry dichotomy.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:26 (seventeen years ago) link

he reacted like that=he saw black faces and flipped out! come on! I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Where are you getting this information? Or are you just assuming this and deciding to go with it?
Yeh, like I said above -- there's no information either way. I'm assuming it because the reaction makes it seem like that was the case. Why else bring the race into it (unless you're a moronic racist)?

― stet (stet), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:26 (seventeen years ago) link

to me it was the that was uncalled for part that was most offensive of all - but is anyone complaining abt that, no!

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe I'm just an idiot, but I still can't figure out what the hell "hanging upside-down with a fork up your ass" is supposed to mean. Doesn't sound like any lynching I've ever seen... (lol south)

― Good-Time Slim, Uncle Doobie, and the Great 'Frisco Freak-Out (sixteen sergeants, Monday, 20 November 2006 19:27 (seventeen years ago) link

there's nothing more charming than the English pretending to be better than anyone else wrt racism.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:28 (seventeen years ago) link

"It's relevant to my point, Alex, since it unwittingly proves that racist/non-racist is not a cut-and-dry dichotomy."

Who the fuck is arguing it isn't?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean seriously: the guy's a professional comedian, who talks on stage for a living. Is this the first time a black man has heckled him? Do you think he barely keeps the bubbling racism under control, but this one time all of a sudden the dark skin made it leap out?

Why do you think he did it? What makes it plausible?

― stet (stet), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:28 (seventeen years ago) link

WHO CARES

― parsley, sage francis, rosemary, and thyme (dubplatestyle), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

ps calling a white guy a cracker is not equivalent to calling a black guy a nigger

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

He didn't threaten to lynch the guy. He screamed out that fifty years ago blacks were getting lynched.

Not to mention that while the first part is technically correct, the second part rather explicitly isn't. He didn't merely reference lynching, he rather specifically used the word "we," the construction was very conspiratorial, like he expected the audience to agree with him.

xpost Alex, jaymc is kind of having his own private thread as established earlier. Also the fork thing is OTM, what a weird thing to say.

― Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe he's done shit like this before?

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

the pathology of the guy on the bus the other night who called the driver a slew of racial epithets when he missed his stop didn't keep me up at night either

― parsley, sage francis, rosemary, and thyme (dubplatestyle), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link

WHO CARES
Sorry, right, string him up.

― stet (stet), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah the essence of his line was, "you're just lucky it's not fifty years ago".

― gear (gear), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link

ps calling a white guy a cracker is not equivalent to calling a black guy a nigger

Is there some reason that cracker is not a racist term in your mind?

― Bobby Ganush (Uri Frendimein), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link

the construction was very conspiratorial, like he expected the audience to agree with him.
That's a good point.

― stet (stet), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

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― anticon jemima (ooo), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

The history of race relations in America makes cracker not nearly as powerful as nigger.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

See, he could have parlayed the heckle into an unfunny racial stereotype joke like "Black people be talking in theaters!" and it would have gone over to riotous laughter.

― elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:32 (seventeen years ago) link

But, that doesn't stop him from making chicken jokes while he watches a video of James Brown sweating his ass off.

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Who the fuck is arguing it isn't?

Nobody explicitly, but the general tone of the thread implied it.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link

5. since the heckler was black, "omg, it's a big racial crime against me, kramer, you can make fun of me, but YOU'RE A NIGGER, i can't say that even if i wanted to! see??" richards MADE the situation racially charged by seeing the exchange racially and reacting like he'd been victimized racially, somehow. the black heckler didn't make it so by being black, or by heckling.

OTM.

― M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link

you guys, stet views all references to history and/or reality as quaint Americanisms.

i.e. context only matters wrt what the black dudes in the audience said, not, you know, America 1600-2006.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link

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― anticon jemima (ooo), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Why on earth are you so interested in defending a dude who screams out about lynching and repeats the word "nigger" over and over again on stage, causing the entire audience to walk out? Again, I'm going to ask you: please explain to me what in the world some heckler said that would make that kind of tirade understandible? This is what I'm not getting. Some of the points you or jaymc have made might be good in a totally different discussion, not in one which you have a comedian known to be a complete asshole losing his marbles on stage and screaming racial epithets at the crowd.

― Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link

The history of race relations in America makes cracker not nearly as powerful as nigger.

I guess that's why everybody calls each other nigga as a term of endearment and nobody calls each other cracker.

― Bobby Ganush (Uri Frendimein), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link

calling someone a cracker is just salty talk.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.alabama-florida-league.com/nafl_-_special_collections_-_murphy/Bob%20Murphy%20Atlanta%20Crackers%201942%20edited.jpg

ppl seriously need to stop acting like 'cracker' is a deeply offensive, hurtful term. they also need to stop acting like 'the abuses of political correctness' are far worse than centuries of slavery, lynching, rape and institutionalized bigotry, that the white man's suffered as much as the black man now cuz he has to be more creative about how he hates. also seriously seriously seriously folx: stop responding to racist trolls like nude spock, stet. and seriously seriously jaymc: stop doing nude spock's spin doctor work.

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link

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― roc u like a § (ex machina), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link

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― parsley, sage francis, rosemary, and thyme (dubplatestyle), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link

people call each other crackers all the freaking time.

― Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Plus, the way I've heard "cracker" used usually refers to racist white people - it's a word of scorn for a subset of white people - turning racism on the racists.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link

and ppl call each other crackers all the time. maybe not in dry cleaning joints in new jersey.

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, it's so freaking common I've in fact never heard it in NYC.

― Bobby Ganush (Uri Frendimein), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beVAd_jmovE

― dommy p is alright WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE (Dom, Monday, 20 November 2006 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

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― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

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