New James Bond = Daniel Craig.

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> To me he looks too "rough" and weathered to play Bond.

I've been hearing this a lot. It seems like a small concession to the realities of espionage. Who makes a better spy, a heartbreaker or an weathered average-looking bloke? I wonder if the new bond film will take a "back to basics" approach and more closely approximate the novels, which, although fantastical, had Bond engage in at least some espionage instead of just shooting it out with bad guys.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Sunday, 5 November 2006 03:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Mark S, that is the very version of Thunderball that my parents had. Oh, the memories.

I never read it though. Stinky pages.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Sunday, 5 November 2006 14:15 (seventeen years ago) link

The books are great reads. Nasty, unsentimental, misogynistic pieces of work, but thrillingly plotted with a real sense of (post war) time and place and dark comedy.

Casino Royale has one of the greatest opening lines in any fiction ever.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Sunday, 5 November 2006 15:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Which is of course...The scent and smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Sunday, 5 November 2006 15:54 (seventeen years ago) link

the trailer looks great. honestly tho I don't think I've ever seen a bond movie in the the-ater

If you fuck with Jimmy Mod, you call down the thunder (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Sunday, 5 November 2006 16:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I believe I've seen every Bond since The Living Daylights in the theater.

chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Sunday, 5 November 2006 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I've seen all of them since License to Kill, even though they got progressively worse after GoldenEye. I fell asleep during the Denise Richards one.

milo z (mlp), Sunday, 5 November 2006 16:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Ah, I didn't think that one was so bad. Certainly nothing like as shit as the Halle Berry monstrosity.

chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Sunday, 5 November 2006 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link

I haven't seen the Halle Berry monstrosity. I fell asleep at Tomorrow Never Dies (was that what it was called?) in the cinema. The end was really boring.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Sunday, 5 November 2006 16:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I bought that edition of Thunderball, with the two bullet holes in, this weekend! Whenever I'm in a second-hand bookshop I always search for those Pan editions of Bond novels, I'm building up a little collection. Casino Royale was the first I read and I'd second any recommendation of it, it's such a good read.

ampersand, hearts, semicolon (cis), Sunday, 5 November 2006 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link

And yet I don't think I've ever seen a Bond film in full, certainly never gone to a cinema for one.

ampersand, hearts, semicolon (cis), Sunday, 5 November 2006 16:47 (seventeen years ago) link

For the films it started with seeing For Your Eyes Only on cable a number of times in 1982 -- I'm glad about that, since that meant by chance and an accident of time and technology it was Moore's best Bond by a mile which got imprinted on me. The only two Bonds I saw in the theater at the time of release were the two Daltons, oddly enough -- saw The Living Daylights twice! Everything else, not that I've seen them all all the way through, has been TV or DVD -- I have all the Connerys through You Only Live Twice along with The Living Daylights, and I need to finally get For Your Eyes Only.

So if I go see this one in the theater, which is looking much more likely now, that'll be the first time since 1989.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 November 2006 16:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I really like The Living Daylights, it's hugely underrated in my opinion (which might be a wee bit affected by it being my first experience of Bond on the big screen). License to Kill is rubbish, though.

chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Sunday, 5 November 2006 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Living is ultimately a strange mess -- too many villains spoil the broth, which is a pity since (though nobody knew it at the time) it turned out to be one of the last Cold War movies as such. The short story it's based on, which provides the first five minutes after the precredits sequence, is one of Fleming's most effective about moral decisions under pressure, and initially the film really lives up to that in a standard Bond film context. Even the clunky Third Man references work (but it is actually nice to see the difference between Vienna then and now). I like it but a better ending would have helped, and often it's Dalton rising above the material.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 November 2006 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Dalton had the potential to be the most interesting Bond (though I have high hopes for Craig), it's a pity he wasn't given a longer tenure. The fight on the big bag of drugs hanging out the back of the plane in TLD is great, it's a shame they tacked on a weak second climax.

chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Sunday, 5 November 2006 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, disrupted the flow of the film -- putting together the other two villians in that small scene into the plane sequence would have wrapped it up nicely. At the same time (even for a series that loves self-recycling), that might have been a bit too close in the end with the plane fight that ends Octopussy (which for all its own flaws has some surprisingly effective moments, like when Bond is desperately trying to convince the US Army bods that, yes, there's a nuke on the base and yes, it's about to go off *right now*...).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 November 2006 17:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I always like it when Bond films indulge in a bit of gratuitous yank bashing.

chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Sunday, 5 November 2006 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Meantime, a slew of positive reviews over in the UK, I gather, and though this is a tiny spoiler I do admit I liked hearing this:

Several reviewers noted one joke that deliberately breaks a Bond tradition. When asked if he wants his vodka martini shaken or stirred, Craig replies: "Do I look like I give a damn?"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 November 2006 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Ooh, hopefully the next Indiana Jones movie will be more emo too.

Zwan (miccio), Sunday, 5 November 2006 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link

It'll be a very crusty emo.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 November 2006 18:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually I read some rumor somewhere that Diddy eventually wants to play James Bond. Needless to say this would be the greatest movie in the universe.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 November 2006 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link

With Pharell as Q and the ghost of Biggie as M.

chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Sunday, 5 November 2006 18:41 (seventeen years ago) link

He should settle for a remake of Action Jackson.

Zwan (miccio), Sunday, 5 November 2006 18:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I can see Diddy as Batman

latebloomer: none of th movies make scence but they r good. (latebloomer), Sunday, 5 November 2006 18:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Ah, here we go:

"One day the time will come for a black Bond and hopefully I can audition for it," the 36-year-old said at the MTV Europe Music Awards in Copenhagen.

Diddy, who appeared in Monster's Ball in 2001, said: "It's a dream of mine to play a great role like that."

Actor Daniel Craig's first outing as 007 is later this month when Casino Royale is released.

"I love the Bond they have now," said the musician. "He's a great actor and I think they made a great choice."

The rap star - real name Sean Combs - vowed that he would keep the audience entertained if he were to land the 007 role, saying: "That's what we get paid to do."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 November 2006 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link

The first thing I thought of when I heard about this was Barry Adamson's "007, A Phantasy Bond Theme," which rules.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 November 2006 18:52 (seventeen years ago) link

If Diddy is Batman, would we get Ma$e as Robin?

milo z (mlp), Sunday, 5 November 2006 18:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Jermaine Dupri takes the Michael Caine role.

milo z (mlp), Sunday, 5 November 2006 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS

one thing i like about casino royale the novel = bond is a RUBBISH agent who acts like an idiot throughout

he is got out of a tight spot:
i. by the incompetence of a lowly SMERSH agent
ii. by his own skeez at makin a twat of himself
iii. by the incompetent greed of a less lowly SMERSH agent
iv. by the poor briefing of a by-the-book SMERSH agent
v. by the greater honour of a SMERSH agent

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in my copy, page 13 is my favourite viz:
"Satisfied that his room had not been searched while he was at the casino, Bond undressed and took a cold shower. Then he lit his seventieth cigarette of the day and sat down at the writing table..."

"Then he slept, and with the warmth and humour of his eyes extinguished, his features relapsed into a taciturn mask, ironical, brutal and cold."

neat trick!

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 5 November 2006 19:13 (seventeen years ago) link

The first thing I thought of when I heard about this was Barry Adamson's "007, A Phantasy Bond Theme," which rules.

Oh, yes that is a great reimagining of the theme. Certainly better than Chris Cornell's theme which is almost enough to stop me going to see the film.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Sunday, 5 November 2006 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

as heretical it might sound to bond fans, i think it's time to go back and just start going through the fleming novels again. pretty much all of those brosnan bond films were useless.

gear (gear), Monday, 6 November 2006 02:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought the guy from Trainspotting and Ravenous was a good villain.

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Monday, 6 November 2006 03:23 (seventeen years ago) link

that one with denise richards was especially awful

latebloomer: none of th movies make scence but they r good. (latebloomer), Monday, 6 November 2006 03:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Here I'd like to note that I didn't say it was a good movie - I said he was a good villain.

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Monday, 6 November 2006 03:40 (seventeen years ago) link

i think pierce brosnan is actually quite a good actor, but he played bond strictly lightweight (maybe because the movies were). i think the idea of brosnan as bond was much better than the reality. it's possible craig could be better than any previous bond with the exception of connery, though i don't believe connery's 'best bond ever' title is unassailable and i don't believe craig is incapable of taking it from him.

gear (gear), Monday, 6 November 2006 03:47 (seventeen years ago) link

he tried to complicate bond slightly, that north korean torture stuff in dad, but generally those movies looked so ugly there wasn't much he could do. i think another reason a bond period piece film might be a good idea (obv it will never happen) besides 'britain as major player on world stage' plausibility is to allow a different approach to technology, in the recent bond the gadgetry's been unlikely in a very dull way ('it's...an invisible car!'). i've seen the others in the theater for some reason so i'm sure i'll see this one, glad to drool over eva green anytime and daniel craig could be a good choice, one reason connery's the best is that he captures bond as sociopath killer as much/well as bond as suave brit tuxfiller - when connery uttered bond quips it was an extension of bond's cruelty and coldness, when other's have done it (following moore's lead obv) it's been an extension of bond's suaveness. from what i can tell from the trailers craig's bond definitely has the thuggish aspect already (and the quips i saw seemed nicely nihilistic), w/ the class aspect to trained in appropriately as the civilized gentleman aspect is bond's front he shows to the world (coldblooded murderer is his reality)(for 'bond' read 'the west' lol). more to the point of the 'franchise' they should take a page from bourne movies (and a history of violence haha)(and maybe 24) and make bond this freakish superfast badass that we only briefly even see in action but when we do we're in terror/awe and then make his delimma/motivation/conflict whatever what happens when being a freakish superfast badass isn't enough. and i'm sure others will disagree but personally i think it'd be better if the villain's plots were strictly macguffins, more mundane, less giant laser that's gonna wipe north america off earth, etc.

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 6 November 2006 04:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I dunno; I think Craig only can be only be so much better than the shit he's given. The last two bond flicks couldn't have been saved with any actor in the lead.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 05:00 (seventeen years ago) link

one reason connery's the best is that he captures bond as sociopath killer as much/well as bond as suave brit tuxfiller - when connery uttered bond quips it was an extension of bond's cruelty and coldness, when other's have done it (following moore's lead obv) it's been an extension of bond's suaveness.

Connery is the best at maintaining cool while surrounded by chaos - which are ultimately my favorite moments in any of the Bond movies because for all of the talk about Queen, country, duty, Bond is also just trying to do his job without getting hassled by SPECTRE or the Soviets. My fave Connery moment (out of many) is the pre-title sequence to Goldfinger when the tanks blow up and everyone in the cantina panics. Bond? He's utterly unflappable casually smoking a cigarette and taking a break before dealing with that unfinished business. He's not fully sociopathic and not completely the suave jokester, just someone who can Get Things Done.

The opposite hold true for Moore's Bond, who's more like a John Steed-type quipping his way through Situations. Moore isn't a Connery-type and shouldn't be, but it's surprising and pretty cool when he does. Fave Moore scene is in For Your Eyes Only (not surprisingly) when he kicks Locque's car over the cliff.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 6 November 2006 05:37 (seventeen years ago) link

i haven't seen for your eyes only in forever - definitely worth rewatching? i remember seeing those 70s bond flix like crazy on tbs when i was a kid (bond, eastwood, and beastmaster). i'll rewatch a connery bond occasionally but more for 'this is a solid action flick like hollywood used to be able to churn out in its sleep but no more alas' than any attachment to the mythos.

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 6 November 2006 05:47 (seventeen years ago) link

FYEO was the prime Bond from my childhood, mainly due to HBO's constate re-running.

It's worth seeing again.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 06:01 (seventeen years ago) link

"i remember seeing those 70s bond flix like crazy on tbs when i was a kid (bond, eastwood, and beastmaster)"

haha YES. don't forget bloodsport!!

my favorite bond movie is the one where connery has an operation to give him SLANTY EYES so he can infiltrate a group of japanese bad dudes. i think roald dahl wrote it.

(9ò_ó)-o Q(^.^Q) (Adrian Langston), Monday, 6 November 2006 06:25 (seventeen years ago) link

i remember that! the villain boiled children and sold them as cookies!

latebloomer: none of th movies make scence but they r good. (latebloomer), Monday, 6 November 2006 06:32 (seventeen years ago) link

bedtime

latebloomer: none of th movies make scence but they r good. (latebloomer), Monday, 6 November 2006 06:32 (seventeen years ago) link

FYEO was the prime Bond from my childhood, mainly due to HBO's constate re-running.

Yup, just like me. And as Elvis says, the kicking the car scene is just amazing. About the only thing like it in the entire film series is in Dr. No when Connery plugs Strangways in the back, having already shot him once.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 November 2006 06:57 (seventeen years ago) link

The drawback of course is Dame Judi Dench returning as “M.” Her feminist approach creates too many eye roll moments as she’s so obviously there to compensate for forty years of so-called sexism.

He obviously wasn't aware that there was a female head of the UK secret service before Dench got the role.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:56 (seventeen years ago) link

He might eventually twig.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe he'll make like a tree!

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link

FYEO has some excruciatingly good 80s italoflair on the OST. Recommended.

FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:32 (seventeen years ago) link

which brings up another point about brosnan bond: the soundtracks blow ass, what up broccolis.

FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link

My other fave part of FYEO is at the end with the Soviet general/KGB guy

"That's detente, comrade. You don't have it. I don't have it."

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:08 (seventeen years ago) link


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