I'd like to use Linux but...

RedHat is shit

Also Red Hat Enterprise is for business. If you want a Red Hat for home use, look at Fedora 7.

-- Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 3 April 2008 14:26 (1 week ago) Bookmark Link

All other things being equal, I would definately be more inclined to push someone off a cliff if I knew they "grokked" pearl.

("grok" is a Stranger in a Strange Land hippy-sci-fi reference, BTW.)

Also Red Hat Enterprise is for business. If you want a Red Hat for home use, look at Fedora 7.

Put down the kool-aid.

Here's what you do if you want a red hat for home use:

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/745/imageuploadimagezx5.jpg

And don't skimp on the broach.

Finally something we agree on!

Fedora is fucking garbage

linux is for guys who like to fiddle with stuff and find it secretly thrilling when they get to sigh in exasperation when the girlfriend can't figure out how to work his computer.

libcrypt, I would have spent a total of six minutes with Fedora 7. You won't get an endorsement out of me.

What a Lovely Generalization! xp

linux is for guys who like to fiddle with stuff and find it secretly thrilling when they get to sigh in exasperation when the girlfriend can't figure out how to work his computer.

If this were the extent of it, I'd be content to let the Linux guys have their fun. The fact that I'm expected to accept it professionally as the solution to every technological problem under the sun can chafe me a bit at times. E.g., "this is our ancient HP cluster. It's terribly stable, but HP-UX is just so....OLD! Thankfully, we're going to migrate to something new! Like LINUX! Also, we'll save a ton by buying the shittiest hardware we can find which we'll then have to duplicate because we need to cluster it on shitty Linux. Possibly quadruple it, because we're stuck with shitty Linux clustering technologies."

my boyfriend installed ubuntu linux on my old laptop and i'm amazed at what it can do now. a shittyass computer that was formerly only good for card games can now go online again, at impressive speeds. it plays nicely with my printer, unlike my macbook pro (fuck finding the right driver).

my sister is a hardcore "linux guy" who's been running it for a decade. she installed ubuntu on an old laptop for her 85-yr-old mother in law. this woman is so old she was flying supply planes in WWII. (there were female aviators. look it up.) she can handle linux just fine.

xp

Oh hi honey!

You know, I hadn't mentioned it before, but I was actually really disappointed that you figured out to use the linux distro I installed on your machine. I was soooo looking forward to being exasperated and you being lost. (wtf.)

linux is for guys who like to fiddle with stuff

ok, that's hard to dispute. I especially like to pretty-up the desktop, make my own icons for things (note to self: the Gimp has got to go) and stuff like that. And, almost incidentally, I've also learned a lot about networking, basic unix commands, hardware drivers (and... ahem... the lack thereof), memory management, and on and on. I have said it before: I never really understood how a computer -- any computer, really -- works until I started messing with Linux.

^ this

Also desktop linux is fine for 98 percent of home users. Servers, not so much.

NSFW yet sooo geeky

just threw ubuntu over my fedora 7 install. after 1 hiccup, all was well. i'm impressed. even fedora was easy, but this was arguably even easier.

anybody use virtual box?

It's funny how the left penguin is looking @ nipple like OMG my belly is a boob and I'm not sure how I feel about it!

vaguely Cronenberg

ha! bodypaint linux girl was my chat icon for a while, but it had two big problems: nsfw, and even if it wasn't, as a chat icon you can't tell wtf it is. Ah well. I'll find a use for that image one day, I'm determined.

Um...

She reflects most criticism of Linux - you can see what's under the bonnet but it's ugly.

I'm not even going to begin asking what you think is ugly about the girl (I think the paint job is right clever), but what aesthetic standards do you hold operating systems to?

Linux

Mac

Windows

My laptop's drive is slowly dying from some kind of mechanical read arm stickiness... If I carry it in my bag for a little while it can't read the boot sector... Until I hold it up and use an Etch-A-Sketch style shaking method to correct it.

Anyway I'm replacing the drive and considering trying out xubuntu over my usual gentoo install. What's the deal with different ubuntu distros for different window managers? I thought I'd try ubuntu since the gentoo project still seems in disarray at the moment, but I want XFCE. Does mainline ubuntu not provide xfce as an option, or is it just kind of a pain in the ass to try and customize as such?

i think it's an install. installing it (the default download ubuntu) last night it automagically started up with gnome. i would think that kubuntu and xubuntu would be pretty deece. possibly the community is smaller though so releases might not be as frequent. (?)

KDE has that grotesque icy blue look.

what aesthetic standards do you hold operating systems to?

-- kenan, Saturday, 19 April 2008 00:15 (7 hours ago) Bookmark Link

I was joking; playing up the criticisms other people have. Standard Gnome and KDE look terrific, not to mention desktop effects.

It doesn't even make sense to say 'Linux is ugly' (as one of my friends keeps saying) because it's all so customisable.

I thought I'd try ubuntu since the gentoo project still seems in disarray at the moment, but I want XFCE. Does mainline ubuntu not provide xfce as an option

1. Install Ubuntu*
2. sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
3. Switch to xfce at the login screen

Or, install Xubuntu.

* perhaps wait for Hardy Heron to be released next week

KDE has that grotesque icy blue look.

-- fields of salmon, Friday, April 18, 2008 6:15 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Yeah it looks like Windows in Winter (For Kids!) or something. I can't get into it.

Anybody know of webcams that are Ubuntu compatible out of the box?

I'd guess absolutely none, but a guy can hope, can't he?

No idea, sorry. What does a hoos want to do with a webcam?

I've just started writing for this productivity blog and I floated the idea of vlog posts in addition to our other content.

Not a "find one or I'm fucked" situation by any means, just an idea I tossed out that we may or may not run with, but it'd be nice to have one to join in my zendo's weekly live sittings too.

Ah, cool. Shouldn't be difficult to find one if you do a bit of Google poking.

KDE4 looks a bit better but still sort of archaic.

This should be a good guide:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeWebCams

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras

This wiki is awes.

Thanks dude

I was joking

Oh, I see. Yeah, it's so obvious now, at not-the-middle-of-the-night.

(But I SO LIKE the middle of the night!)

werewolves

Hardy Heron can suck my fucking nuts.

ruh roh... what happened?

Here's a list of all the exciting shit that's gone wrong:

- sound-juicer decided I didn't have gstreamer installed and so wouldn't let me use any of my mp3 output profiles, until suddenly it changed its mind and let me have one back
- ongoing network speed problems (200kb/s; used to be 1.2Mb/s)
- no obvious way to make gtkpod the default app when plugging in an ipod
- no obvious way to stop rhythmbox opening when plugging in an ipod
- rhythmbox is shit
- gtkpod 0.99.12 has no 'set cover art from web' option (gtkpod 0.99.10 on gutsy did)
- I had to install a local dns cache just to get decent load times on web pages
- laptop-mode ignores every setting I give it
- battery life is still shit (was also shit in gutsy, was excellent in feisty)
- laptop backlight only goes off sometimes when I close the lid (again, shit in gutsy, perfect in feisty)
- compiz framerate so jerky that I had to turn off desktop cube altogether (no such issue in gutsy)

and now my wife hates me because I've spent the past five days fixing this arsehole thing.

rhythmbox IS indeed shit... but what? Banshee?

amarok?

^^^ one of the several reasons Linux sux. QA == total shit.

sounds like aa had the opposite experience from me. Hardy fixed everything and made it work again.