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I just realized that I miss getting grades. Got to love that positive reinforcement.

OTM.

What do I get for already saying that? (x)

B+

S - Satisfactory

Everyone has permission to post on the thread. Stop trying to make it look like I think otherwise.

Look, I don't mind that she posts on the thread,
Look, I don't mind that she posts on the thread,
Look, I don't mind that she posts on the thread,
Look, I don't mind that she posts on the thread,
Look, I don't mind that she posts on the thread,
Look, I don't mind that she posts on the thread,

see ^^ that ^^ to me implies otherwise.
john, i don't mind that those are the kind of posts you make.

I was actually talking to Kr about that recently, although it was in the context of us having different experiences in school vs. real life. She claims to have slacked off in school and only now, in the workplace, is she properly motivated. Whereas, I'm far more likely to slack off at work, and I think part of that has to do with the fact that there are much fewer incentives (like grades) to do well.

B+

-- La Lechera, Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:12 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

S - Satisfactory

-- dan m, Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:12 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link
Cry!

Crying about a B+ = grade grubber

Change grade to C- for grade grubbing

I managed to get a C in elementary school at one point in Handwriting. My Dad gave me a huge lecture about how important it would be in my future. Welcome to technology, pops!

xp Shit, you're tough!

What if I only cried alone at home on my pink checkered bedspread?

I fully expect to get an Incomplete and I'm okay with that. I try never to let school get in the way of my education. :)

Would you say you have street smarts, Laurel? ;-)

Yes, I always signal before turning.

see ^^ that ^^ to me implies otherwise.

I was responding to Dan's post about "_______ doesn't live here." I was trying to clarify that I'm not creating some hierarchy between Chicagoans and non-Chicagoans, just that I thought it was strange that someone who clearly wasn't attending an event felt the need to list who was going. I would've thought it weird if Amanda had done the same thing. Maybe it doesn't matter and I shouldn't have said anything, but I wanted to figure out whether there was some subtext to her comment that I missed.

Seriously though, grade grubbers are really annoying. I was one in grad school and I annoyed myself.

Does grade grubbing include defending your answers to get more points? I did that all the time.

"Excuse me, but I see you marked this wrong. Let me explain why I said that..."

Amanda! You didn't.

She claims to have slacked off in school and only now, in the workplace, is she properly motivated.

2x, I don't miss getting graded at all (not that I never slack off at work, but it's nothing like when I was in school).

kevin, how about less fighting with jaymc and more recommending me ike turner records?

(i should be getting that turntable tonight)

I think I miss the natural competition of school. Here it's like, can you even measure whether or not I'm a better copy editor than the person in the cubicle next to me? And even if you could, who cares?

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I thought we were friends (not just the MySpace kind)! :)
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Sarah - Publicly during class or privately after class?
The former: yes
the latter: maybe, possible no

I did, but only a little bit. Not a lot. I got a 78% on this quiz and it was total bullshit. I talked with the professor afterwards and she saw where I was coming from. That didn't make it less annoying, though.

And even if you could, who cares?
exactly

St. Peter outside the gates: "Listen, Mr. Turner, I love your work, but..."

I've been very close to deleting my MySpace account lately for reasons like that. (I got a porn video from Eric H., although somehow he realized it and e-mailed me to say "the titty spam was not my doing.") Also because I'm never on MySpace anymore.

Whereas, I'm far more likely to slack off at work, and I think part of that has to do with the fact that there are much fewer incentives (like grades) to do well.

money? promotion? advancement in career?

exactly

Right, so I slack off instead!

money? promotion? advancement in career?

I don't see any of those things happening.

I mean, that's not really how it works here.

I hated school b/c grades seemed so arbitrary. That sounds like I was self-important and above grading, but it was more that I was really depressed and I had trouble finding significance in breathing, much less a letter grade.

I would guess that in ANY career you could advance. I certainly made enormous advances as a waiter from 2001-2007, those advances amounting to more money, easier work, more genteel clientelle, and (sometimes...) more respect as a professional.

pardon me for being frank, but if you are not getting what you want at your current job, then get a new job?

your reaction to not receiving a cookie is not to try? again, pardon me but that seems kinda silly.

Once I figured out that grades were subjective in the arts, they didn't matter much to me. Subjectively chosen awards with monetary prizes, those were more important. And high scores on pinball games and words-per-minute tests.

In business, what people care about is profit and turn-around and stuff like that. So while I'm (very) occasionally commended for doing a good job, and I'd likely be let go if my work was downright awful, my boss is more interested in whether I can get my work done on time. I preferred it when I was rewarded for my intelligence than for my ability to concentrate on something for eight hours a day.

pardon me for being frank, but if you are not getting what you want at your current job, then get a new job?

I never said that. I'm happy at my current job.

I'm guessing that John and I are in the same boat where we feel like our achievements are going to come separately from our day jobs (maybe Nick and Sarah too), and so there can be less incentive to treat them fully as a career.

Why is that? I thought John was more of a hobbyist with the band.

^^^

xpost

hate to say it, but in school you are also rewarded for turning your work in on time and being productive. not in the same way, but it's all part of the game.

the only reason i said you should get a new job is that you don't feel rewarded by yours. that's all.

I'm a "hobbyist" too but I still get more satisfaction out of doing a decent job with creative stuff than doing well at work.

Lord help me if my greatest achievements have anything to do with pushing manuscripts through peer review.

I'm a hobbyist with the band, with my music criticism, and with my crossword puzzle constructing -- all of which add up to more satisfaction than I usually receive from what I do at work.

I will say, though, that I'm a good deal more motivated (and thus satisfied) at work when I'm working on the almanac, since I'm the supervisor on that project and I get to make decisions and go to meetings and stuff.

I guess it can be sort of satisfying to get the really predictable, direct, immediate response/validation that a grade provides.

One of my art professors addressed this B/C he felt that his criticisms were unappreciated; he yelled something along the lines of, You are lucky to get my criticism. "You think the world's going to give a shit that you like to be creative? You're going to work and work and most of the time be lucky if you are met with indifference."

In that case you might as well drink, I guess. Wow. What a graceless way to put what may or may not be a "basic" truth.

John, isn't working on the almanac a sort of advancement?

i would like to work on some armagnac

Yeah, it is, kind of! And I did get a pay raise that seemed like it was related to that. Although I was never sure if I got handed that assignment because I did good work or whether it was because I made an offhanded comment about how much I liked the project.

I thought his speech/tirade was sort of bosltering and a wake-up call to namby-pamby artistes who got offended when he called their amateur drawings "amateur drawings."