HIS DARK MATERIALS

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ah! that all makes sense. i'd envisaged it as being further down - lincolnshire down towards norfolk rather than up towards yorkshire. i don't remember an oil refinery at all. the dutch thing - perhaps i got that from their names? there are certainly a couple of "van der _________" and other dutch-sounding/appearing surnames when they do the big meeting.

emsk ( emsk), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:20 (twenty years ago)

Yes, that's true.

I'm sure there was something approaching an oil refinary mentioned somewhere. I might be imagining it though.

Before drainage, the Lincolnshire Fens and the Yorkshire marshes were all connected anyway. There was a more-or-less continuous belt of fen from the Wash through to the Trent valley, and it was an important trading route, with Boston, the largest port in the country outside London, at one end.

(the Yorkshire fens - usually called Moors even though they're nothing like moorland as you imagine it - are a large, flat, bog formed where the Trent, Ouse, Aire and Don meet to form the Humber)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:28 (twenty years ago)

(sorry, I'll try to stop turning this into a FP Teaches Local Geography thread)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:39 (twenty years ago)

milo otm about the series as a whole. the action/adventure stuff and the character relationships were more fun and more convincing than the church-bashing didacticism. otoh, i was kind of entertained by the idea of a church-bashing fantasy trilogy, so i was willing to cut some slack on that.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 16 January 2006 17:30 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...
The site of the movie (coming December 2007) : http://www.goldencompassmovie.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/His_Dark_Materials:_The_Golden_Compass

StanM, Thursday, 3 May 2007 09:09 (nineteen years ago)

So, um, should I read this or not?

mitya, Thursday, 3 May 2007 09:19 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, read it, it's awesome. It's builds a universe as well as any fantasy/sci-fi book ever.

The website's got a "What daemon go you have?" bit. I've got a lion daemon, hurrah!

The Wayward Johnny B, Thursday, 3 May 2007 09:32 (nineteen years ago)

I'm going to read them for the third time starting in the next couple of weeks (the first time I did was about three years ago), I enjoyed them enough to really look forward to this second visit.

Yes, the beginning was better than the end, but don't all multi-part books end at least somewhat disappointingly? (the ones I've read all do, I think. the Hyperion Cantos - The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy, Lord Of The Rings (big ass final, and then six chapters of yawn), Gormenghast)

StanM, Thursday, 3 May 2007 09:42 (nineteen years ago)

The trilogy started off well, some good characters and ideas (and brilliant armoured bears!) - the second one wasn't as good and overcooked the plot more than a bit. The third one was a complete mess of convoluted plots tripping over themselves and had a meh ending.

His Dark Materials = The Matrix Trilogy + Bears

-- Onimo, Sunday, March 6, 2005 10:45 AM (2 years ago)


haha
I stand by this, though I still think the films could be great, if only for the bears.

onimo, Thursday, 3 May 2007 10:18 (nineteen years ago)

I got the Crow Daemon on the movie site. ("spontaneous, modest, solitary, shy and fickle" - OTM)

StanM, Thursday, 3 May 2007 10:24 (nineteen years ago)

This looks quite well cast (though Mrs. Coulter was Helena Bonham Carter in my head).

chap, Thursday, 3 May 2007 10:38 (nineteen years ago)

I love Daniel Craig in everything, but I think he's a really good choice for Lord Asriel. I'll still be surprised if this movie isn't terrible though.

31g, Thursday, 3 May 2007 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

My daughter's off to London for a month starting in a few days, and her main "must-do" is to go to Oxford to visit the bench at the botanical gardens.

Rock Hardy, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

looks more promising than the narnia adaptations (obv these books are the anti-narnia)

akm, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/gc-tiny.jpg

sean gramophone, Friday, 4 May 2007 00:23 (nineteen years ago)

Iorek's huge!

chap, Friday, 4 May 2007 00:38 (nineteen years ago)

That poster's actually getting me quite wet for this film.

chap, Friday, 4 May 2007 00:46 (nineteen years ago)

Oh man that does look kind of awesome.

31g, Friday, 4 May 2007 00:50 (nineteen years ago)

the trailer was pretty juicy.

s1ocki, Friday, 4 May 2007 00:51 (nineteen years ago)

they're really pushing the gleamy steampunk look for this!

gff, Friday, 4 May 2007 00:54 (nineteen years ago)

It's weird for me to see a picture of a big anthropomorphized animal that doesn't have a humorous caption written in some ugly font at the bottom.

31g, Friday, 4 May 2007 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

My daemon is Andreas, the snow leopard.

I wish he was here now so he could jump through the tv and rip Baron Davis's throat out.

Ms Misery, Friday, 4 May 2007 05:04 (nineteen years ago)

I think I'm very happy that my daemon is a raccoon.

Lostandfound, Friday, 4 May 2007 06:10 (nineteen years ago)

The trailer on youtube looks awesome. Even with some of the CGI not fully developed, it still looks amazing. Iorek looks great as well, I was fearing they'd make him less imposing, but he does look like a massive bear that can rip shit up. I am so stoked for this.

The Wayward Johnny B, Friday, 4 May 2007 07:51 (nineteen years ago)

I'm very very happy that I'm a cat.

I'm kind of afraid to watch the trailer. I love these books so much not sure how I feel about a movie.

Ms Misery, Friday, 4 May 2007 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

I'm a gibbon.

HI DERE, Friday, 4 May 2007 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

I am a mighty lion.

chap, Friday, 4 May 2007 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

okay that poster makes me think that this might not be a steaming pile

strongohulkington, Friday, 4 May 2007 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

Ocelot

Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Friday, 4 May 2007 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

hyena!! fkn sweet!

gff, Friday, 4 May 2007 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

The casting is near perfect. The teaser is promising.

Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Friday, 4 May 2007 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

LA Times puff piece on things but there's some useful bits among the slop.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 May 2007 03:33 (nineteen years ago)

that article ends kind of abruptly!

s1ocki, Monday, 21 May 2007 03:41 (nineteen years ago)

SEQUEL

s1ocki, Monday, 21 May 2007 03:42 (nineteen years ago)

my daemon is a fox.

milo z, Monday, 21 May 2007 03:45 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, so. As muttered above, I've had the damn thing sitting around for a bit and had promised myself I would obv. read it all before the movie came out. I'd mentioned the books to a friend of mine, she went and got her own copy from the library and started to read it and I was all, "Okay, it's a sign."

So I read the first one today. Lived up to all the promise. And to celebrate I then saw the trailer, which I'd carefully avoided until now. This'll be good. (But isn't Mrs. Coulter supposed to be a brunette?)

More thoughts on all the books when I've read them all...

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 May 2007 04:20 (nineteen years ago)

Read in a single day? Even with all those long words like 'magisterium'? I think you'll like the second one (The Subtle Knife) even more. It really does build the momentum.

Huey in Melbourne, Thursday, 24 May 2007 04:45 (nineteen years ago)

...as for the brunette issue, Pullman stated he originally wrote the part with Nicole Kidman in mind, and she is, lest we forget, a gingah. I think in the film her golden blonde hair will set her apart from the witches, i.e. Eva Green and her dark ilk.

Huey in Melbourne, Thursday, 24 May 2007 04:47 (nineteen years ago)

Read in a single day? Even with all those long words like 'magisterium'?

It's a quick read! And I don't mean that as an insult, rather as a sign of appreciation -- he takes you into the world created very easily and the various characters and plot points are quick to grasp, if the deeper theology requires reflection. Also, the setting reminded me a hell of a lot of Randall Garrett's Lord D'Arcy stories, of which I'm v. fond, so it was easy to accept an alternate England/Earth setting mixing the supernatural and the technical.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 May 2007 05:08 (nineteen years ago)

i mainlined the first two over last weekend. they remind me more of l'engle than lewis, carroll, or rowling – and the writing is much lovelier, to boot.

remy bean, Thursday, 24 May 2007 05:31 (nineteen years ago)

i'm a lion named sophia

remy bean, Thursday, 24 May 2007 05:34 (nineteen years ago)

L'Engle! That's a *sharp* comparison -- as soon as I read that it all clicked on that front.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 May 2007 05:34 (nineteen years ago)

Randall Garrett's Lord D'Arcy stories

totally forgot about those, i loved them.

i'm surprised most of the initial rush of hype isn't even mentioning the anti-theist angle. i guess they're saving that up for the big arts-section think pieces this fall.

tipsy mothra, Thursday, 24 May 2007 05:49 (nineteen years ago)

in the meantime, i'll be preparing my rebuttal.

remy bean, Thursday, 24 May 2007 05:51 (nineteen years ago)

Unsurprisingly, given the fact it's US-financed, the 'anti-theist' angle has been toned down in the film in favour of a more generic 'anti-authoritarian' slant. Even Pullman's backtracking a bit, saying that the 'Magisterium' might denote an umbrella organisation of all kinds of wickedness, not just the Catholic Church, as so brazenly alluded to in the books.

Huey in Melbourne, Thursday, 24 May 2007 05:53 (nineteen years ago)

i'm surprised most of the initial rush of hype isn't even mentioning the anti-theist angle

"So I dunno, Bob, you think we should play that up given how most of America claims to believe in God?"

"Nah, Mark, better to let it lie for now."

Repeat as needed.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 May 2007 05:54 (nineteen years ago)

I would have thought that the anti-Catholic aspect would have gone down a storm in the States, as the born-again section of Christian right often seems to give the impression that they think that all Catholics are Statnists...

Stone Monkey, Thursday, 24 May 2007 06:36 (nineteen years ago)

Perhaps, but those who have read the final book know that God does in fact feature in a massive way, and, Statnists or no Statnists, believers in any monotheistic religion would take umbridge with the events. Quick, read the other two!!!

Huey in Melbourne, Thursday, 24 May 2007 07:24 (nineteen years ago)

umbrage at the events. I think Umbridge is a place in the Midlands.

Huey in Melbourne, Thursday, 24 May 2007 07:27 (nineteen years ago)

I think there's another really obvious umbrage-attractor in the final book beyond the God stuff, but since there's a lot of ppl who haven't read them I will hold my tongue.

Groke, Thursday, 24 May 2007 12:53 (nineteen years ago)


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