New Yorkers: Weigh in on the Swiftly Sprouting ASTOR PLACE "Luxury" High Rise

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I'm just praying for a good long recession coupled with a few years of really high gas prices to really rip the heart out of the purportedly "high productivity" tech sector of the economy..

Hello, where have you been the past three years Traitor?!?!?

Personally, I would like the economy, and more importantly the labor market, to recover.

hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 14 August 2004 17:29 (nineteen years ago) link

http://jupiter.walagata.com/w/alexinnyc/screenshot_02.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 14 August 2004 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

also there's some sort of reason why the constellations are on backwards, it was explained to me once, but I've forgotten.

hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 14 August 2004 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link

http://jupiter.walagata.com/w/alexinnyc/screenshot_04.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 14 August 2004 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link

http://jupiter.walagata.com/w/alexinnyc/screenshot_05.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 14 August 2004 17:35 (nineteen years ago) link

also there's some sort of reason why the constellations are on backwards, it was explained to me once, but I've forgotten

Yes, there is a reason, and it's not a very good one.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 14 August 2004 17:52 (nineteen years ago) link

That's crazy.

stence, how to explain the continuing popularity of luxury flats etc. The heart may have been ripped out but the garlic is not working.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 14 August 2004 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Still ridiculously low interest rates explain it. On the one hand, when rates rise more (and they will), that might get rid of the hubris, but it will also destroy the ability of non-high rollers to buy a house in this town (which is already pretty fucking difficult). I don't understand, though, why you'd ACTIVELY wish for things to be worse. Speaking as someone who was unemployed for 10 months and is now working at a job that pays me 50% less than what I used to make (with the same level of aggravation, pretty much), I think that's kind of a bullshit, immature way to look at things. And there are PLENTY of people way way way way worse off than me (at least I'm working) - in hard times, people at the bottom feel it much more than people at the top. Which is also kinda why this thread bugs me, to be honest: at least Alex and his family have some freakin' equity, and own their apartment. I'll NEVER be able to afford to own in New York City, even in an outer borough. So stop bitching about some dumb high-rise, esp. when you COULD HAVE done something to stop it. Developments don't come out of nowhere - they have to have the tacit approval of the community. Don't bitch at the rest of us because you failed to uphold your end of the social contract.

hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 14 August 2004 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link

PS. thanks for the link Michael.

hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 14 August 2004 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

at least Alex and his family have some freakin' equity, and own their apartment.

For now, but this is invariably our final stop in Manhattan. Failing the option of Brooklyn, hello suburbs, here we come.

Developments don't come out of nowhere - they have to have the tacit approval of the community. Don't bitch at the rest of us because you failed to uphold your end of the social contract.

To be fair, there was a grassroots movement afoot too block this, but the land is owned by Cooper Union (who, you'd have thought, more than anyone else, would've had more respect for the sanctity of the neighborhood). It's their land. If they want to sell it to Ian Schrager, who was really going to stop them?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 14 August 2004 21:24 (nineteen years ago) link

these are hard fights, but I don't think communities are completely out of luck vs. developers. Of course, I may feel differently if Bruce Ratner gets his way.

hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 14 August 2004 21:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Always nice talking with ya, stence.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 14 August 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry if it offends you, Tracer, but I can't not say how I feel about this. I had pretty much the same opinion as yours during the halcyon days of the late 1990s, and looking back I just find it shameful. Sorry if it rubs you the wrong way, but hey, that's life on ye olde ILXe.

hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 14 August 2004 21:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Well I can't not, either! Why do you think it's shameful to want overinflated media wages to come down to something that more approximates the contribution made by the labor they represent? I don't want to the economy to do BAD. I want us to change our definition of "good" if in a "good" economy all the waiters in a city to have to commute an hour to work because they can't afford to actually live there. Now I know it's a leap to say that high rents are the exclusive consequence of overpaid mediosos. I really just threw that out there so that somebody could tell me why the same studios I saw for $800 less than a decade ago are going for twice that much now. Low interest rates? See, that's something that economist say is economically stimulative, so how come I'm not feelin stimulated?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 14 August 2004 23:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Nice shot, Alex!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 14 August 2004 23:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Why do you think it's shameful to want overinflated media wages to come down to something that more approximates the contribution made by the labor they represent?

I have a media job that doesn't pay shit. The average for media jobs in NYC is something like $60K, I saw that figure somewhere recently, so I don't think it's media people buying up all the real estate.

I don't want to the economy to do BAD. I want us to change our definition of "good" if in a "good" economy all the waiters in a city to have to commute an hour to work because they can't afford to actually live there.

That's a lot different from saying you want a prolonged recession and high gas prices, which certainly would be indicators of a badly performing economy. And though I am for high gas prices (in order to wean Americans off the automobile), I have no doubt that they impact your hypothetical waiter much more than, say, the wealthy investment banker commuting in from NJ.

Now I know it's a leap to say that high rents are the exclusive consequence of overpaid mediosos. I really just threw that out there so that somebody could tell me why the same studios I saw for $800 less than a decade ago are going for twice that much now. Low interest rates?

Rents are high because property taxes are high, because of the vanishing surpluses at the federal, state and local levels (Bush, Pataki and Giuliani are to blame). And because, it's New York, people will pay high rent to live here, esp. in areas they consider "glamorous" or "like Friends or whatever."

As for a correlation between interest rates and property taxes, well low interest rates spur development, but developers gotta pay those higher property taxes somehow.

See, that's something that economist say is economically stimulative, so how come I'm not feelin stimulated?

Because, like me, you don't own. Maybe if we were landlords, we'd feel differently, I dunno.

hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link

i talked about this with some friends yesterday who have been living downtown since the late 70s or early 80s. one lived in alphabet city, the other on first avenue at 4th street (the former moved to gramercy in the early 90s, the latter still lives in the area). it's sad to think that there hasn't been much balance found between the unbridled development/gentrification of recent years and what their experience was at the time - it may have been cheap but both of them frequently feared for their lives. where's the progressive urban planning? obv things like this high-rise are distasteful, but is a scenario in which cabs won't go further east than second avenue (like in the good old artistic days) a better alternative? i can't believe that it comes down to boom and bust cycles that mean avaricious, poorly thought out expansion until the bottom drops out and things revert to chaos in wait for the next development in the tech sector.

lauren (laurenp), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Just walked by it again about five minutes ago. It's gettin' huger and huger.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

yep. It's frickin huge!!


doesn't really fit well at all. i walk past it almost every day to get to class.

lemin (lemin), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
http://www.artnet.com/magazine/news/ntm3/Images/ntm9-1-6.jpg

It still looks nothing like this.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 12 November 2004 03:13 (nineteen years ago) link

It's now beginning to be clad with mirror-windows and oh man. Oh man. I had no idea it was going to look that shitty.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 12 November 2004 03:23 (nineteen years ago) link

This thread is making me think about playing katamari damacy

TOMBOT, Friday, 12 November 2004 03:25 (nineteen years ago) link

It's like your average suburban 70's-80's office building except that it's got a top hat it goes concave a little. Whoop-de-shit.

And speaking solely in terms of craftsmanship, it looks awfully shoddy upclose -- the window frames seem awkwardly aligned. Bet it'll be prone to drafts in the winter.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 12 November 2004 03:28 (nineteen years ago) link

So what happened to the Cube?

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 12 November 2004 14:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Alex, if you're going to be stupid enough to pay $$ to live in that neighborhood, anyway, you might as well live in luxury.

What that place might have included that your place probably doesn't:
• soundproof apartments
• elevators
• door man
• gym
• laundry room
• door man
• return on investment

Superrationalizer, Friday, 12 November 2004 16:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Don't forget the door man!

Door man, Friday, 12 November 2004 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link

hey, is this the one that had the article about it in New York magazine?

teeny (teeny), Friday, 12 November 2004 17:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't live in New York, but from the descriptions the cube isn't being touched. Is that right, or are they redoing that little island?

You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Friday, 12 November 2004 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/arts/architecture/10183/index.html

teeny (teeny), Friday, 12 November 2004 17:18 (nineteen years ago) link

The cube will remain (it's still featured in their design plan, I believe).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 12 November 2004 17:25 (nineteen years ago) link

The cube will remain but it will now carry advertising and there will be a small fee to spin it.

Paul Eater (eater), Friday, 12 November 2004 17:35 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
the more they finish the building, the more i like it. I mean, hell no I wouldn't wanna live there because of the noize either, but a lot of the other buildings in astor place are hella ugly. the cooper union science building! crappy pizza and bagel and felafel places on 3rd and st. marks (not to mention the continental club)! ugly starbucks awnings! good riddance, i say.

hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 8 January 2005 07:32 (nineteen years ago) link

the more they finish the building, the more i like it

I hate to admit it, but I think I'm starting to agree. However, I'm disappointed that it doesn't, in fact, look anything like this:

http://www.artnet.com/magazine/news/ntm3/Images/ntm9-1-6.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 8 January 2005 09:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I do love this thread, it must be said. I am a slave to nostalgia.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 8 January 2005 09:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Is this the one with the giant sign outside that says something like "UNDULATING. POSH. ENORMOUS."? I didn't like the use of the word undulating to describe a building.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Saturday, 8 January 2005 15:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I've been meaning to post that now that the windows are up, I don't mind the building too much either.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Saturday, 8 January 2005 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link

i like it better than the big boxes they've built on Houston Street, anyways.

hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 8 January 2005 21:30 (nineteen years ago) link

lauren's post = OTM

Lixi Swank (tracerhand), Saturday, 8 January 2005 21:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I want to check this out when I'm in NYC.

Danzig and Jeanne-Claude (deangulberry), Saturday, 8 January 2005 22:27 (nineteen years ago) link

um, i wouldn't mind living there.

phil-two (phil-two), Saturday, 8 January 2005 23:09 (nineteen years ago) link

especially if someone else were paying my rent

phil-two (phil-two), Saturday, 8 January 2005 23:09 (nineteen years ago) link

are there any current pictures of this thing?

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 8 January 2005 23:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll take some soon.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 9 January 2005 02:21 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
whoa, what??!?

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 23:05 (nineteen years ago) link

(it went out for a bite to eat but will be back in a few weeks)

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 23:07 (nineteen years ago) link


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