defend the indefensible: THE IVY LEAGUE

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Ivy Leaguers:

http://www.theage.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1063268554051_2003/09/12/Psych,0.jpg

― gabbzay (gabbneb), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 02:26 (twenty years ago) link

Yale Man
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ghlong/images/2ages.jpg

― Skottie, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 02:32 (twenty years ago) link

Proof indisputable that the Ivy stranglehold on Hollywood is unshakable. What? Oh. Vincent Price. Oh, I see. Most powerful man in...Encino? No, that Michael Jackson. Uh....dead? Oh, that's just a myth.

― Skottie, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 02:35 (twenty years ago) link

Gabbneb - no, sorry. But conflating two different statistical measures doesn't work.

Pell grants and the study's SES-based statistics are not analgous, in any way, shape or form.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 02:56 (twenty years ago) link

If you re-read my posts again, you will see that I have responded to each of your arguments and that my responses in fact suggest that the Pell grant data is more informative than the SES data. I just noticed an additional reason why that may be true - the Pell Grant data is for 2001; the SES statistics are for the class of 1995.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 03:06 (twenty years ago) link

But it's not more informative. Nor is it less informative - it's a different measure completely. Like I, you know, said.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 03:10 (twenty years ago) link

But I find the SES measure to be a better tool to start with - the benefit of a prestigious school isn't necessarily about post-graduate earnings potential, but about the culture and connections, it would make sense to factor those in.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 03:12 (twenty years ago) link

Ivy League drop-out

http://www.clairedanes.net/imgs/misc4.jpg

And such early promise

http://clairedanes.gmxhome.de/wanted/francaise.jpg

― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 05:39 (twenty years ago) link

see also, Columbia College Class of 1996...

http://www.bryanspage.com/Lauryn.jpg

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 05:46 (twenty years ago) link

I.L. ABD

http://www.delos.fantascienza.com/delos57/img/duchovny/duchovny.jpg

― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 05:47 (twenty years ago) link

Haha! Another Lycee Francais alum, of course...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 05:48 (twenty years ago) link

another drop-out

http://www.capitalcentury.com/youngfitz.gif

― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 05:50 (twenty years ago) link

i dunno, lauryn hill has never struck me as being very bright. not dubya-dumb, true, but not OMGWTF brilliant either. she's not exactly compelling proof of ivy league intellectual firepower AFAIC.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 05:53 (twenty years ago) link

Dartmouth '62

http://www.rockcritics.com/christgau2small.jpg

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 05:55 (twenty years ago) link

Sarah Lawrence's loss was our gain

http://incolor.inebraska.com/sumaree/beatles/images/dryoko_a.jpg

― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 05:57 (twenty years ago) link

Yale '80 (BA) '83 (MFA)

http://www.hollywoodjesus.com/movie/sunshine_state/angela_bassett_01.jpg

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 05:58 (twenty years ago) link

U. Miss. Drop Out

http://www.olemiss.edu/depts/english/ms-writers/dir/faulkner_william/hollywood.jpg

― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 06:06 (twenty years ago) link

More Yalies (the two on the right)

http://www28.brinkster.com/1082/images/episodios/308.jpg

― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 06:13 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.j-cinema.net/gossips/jodiefoster/012.jpg

― Allyzay, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 06:14 (twenty years ago) link

Two people I have seen in between classes:

http://www.heavenlycelebrities.com/Pics/Julia%20Stiles/Album/julia266.jpg

http://www.onlygoodmovies.net/celebrities/n_portman/images/nat_07_jpg.jpg

This obviously doesn't actually prove the worth of the Ivy Leagues but quite honestly most of the people I've met at Columbia are no brighter than a box of nails so this is the best defense I have to offer.

― Allyzay, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 06:20 (twenty years ago) link

Yale '86

http://my.netian.com/~t2man/soundtrack/80s/Flashdance.jpg

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 06:21 (twenty years ago) link

Which Ivy League Stereotype Fits You?

(I got Brown.)

― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 06:23 (twenty years ago) link

Are the historically black colleges under attack too?

http://www.raquenel.com/different/bonet1b.jpg

― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 06:31 (twenty years ago) link

HAHAHAHA I got Columbia, c'est la vie.

― Allyzay, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 06:32 (twenty years ago) link

"Designed by an employee at the Brown Admissions Office"

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 06:34 (twenty years ago) link

Haha, Ally, I was actually happy that I got Brown but then I looked and saw that the test was created by a Brown administrator so I thought it was rigged. I thought I would get Columbia as well.

x-post

― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 06:36 (twenty years ago) link

Apparently I'm not good enough for Brown!!!

― Allyzay, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 06:43 (twenty years ago) link

Cornell '74

http://www.raptiye.com/images/Christopher-Reeve.jpg

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 06:48 (twenty years ago) link

Princeton '88!

http://members.xoom.virgilio.it/pino22/immaginicelebries/bTF%20Superman%20Dean%20Cain.jpg

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 06:50 (twenty years ago) link

harvard '90
http://adorocinema.cidadeinternet.com.br/personalidades/atores/mira-sorvino/mira-sorvino03.jpg

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 06:52 (twenty years ago) link

haha that kind of doesn't help, dude.

― Allyzay, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 06:54 (twenty years ago) link

Penn '49

http://www-tech.mit.edu/V115/N13/chomsky.gif

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 06:54 (twenty years ago) link

no wonder christgau can be such a jackoff.

and first one who posts river cuomo gets xferred to SUNY-purchase or rutgers-camden.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 06:58 (twenty years ago) link

oh god

My #1 result for the SelectSmart.com selector, Which Ivy League Univeristy Stereotype Fits You?, is Yale

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 06:59 (twenty years ago) link

Rutgers '19

http://www.marxists.org/glossary/people/r/pics/robeson-paul.jpg

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 07:02 (twenty years ago) link

Actually Tad these are ALL Harvard grads!!!

http://www.toughpigs.com/extraweezer15.jpg

― Allyzay, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 07:04 (twenty years ago) link

Apparently I was destined to go to Cornell.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 07:06 (twenty years ago) link

Bullshit. Beaker was straight MIT-material.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 07:07 (twenty years ago) link

actually this fellow has always been my favorite rutgers co-alum:

http://www.toontracker.com/magoo/magoo-1.gif

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 07:10 (twenty years ago) link

Haha don't forget Harvard's brightest light:

http://www.cnn.com/books/news/9804/22/bitch.wurtzel/cover.bitch.jpg

― Allyzay, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 07:23 (twenty years ago) link

Pride in having an "Ivy League degree" is proportional to the likelihood of said degree being from Penn.

― Dickerson Pike (Dickerson Pike), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 08:19 (twenty years ago) link

Brooke's first college choice was Harvard. But mom Teri demanded the school accept Brooke BEFORE she applied for admission. It declined, and Brooke Shields ultimately went to Princeton.

http://www2.physics.umd.edu/~yskim/prince/brooke11.jpg

― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 08:54 (twenty years ago) link

Harvard eliminates tuition for some

― teeny (teeny), Thursday, 11 March 2004 00:18 (twenty years ago) link

Boy I wish I was going to Harvard.

Correct me if I am wrong, though, but don't most of these schools--like, um, most schools in general--base most of their financial awards system off of the FAFSA? This is not including purely merit-based scholarships, obviously. It seems to me, as it always seems, that unless that system gets substantially reformed, people who are not relatively upper-middle/upper class are not going to be able to afford to go to any "quality" university. I mean, Columbia is trying to help me petition my FAFSA results so that I do meet more qualifications, but at current my "expected family contribution" equals half of my earnings for last year. This wouldn't be different if I went to CUNY instead, and I wouldn't be able to get any financial assistance there, either (actually, by logic of the government "awarding" you the difference between your EFC and the tuition cost, I actually get more aid, ie some, at Columbia than I would get, ie none, at a CUNY school). Since I can't actually afford either tuition, I decided to just take out the higher loan and get my degree from a school that is going to have more immediate "results", fair or not as that distinction might be.

I mean, what percentage of low-income people are in any university, period, Ivy League or not Ivy League? How many people apply to an Ivy League from that economic bracket? It's kind of unfair to pin numbers like that on any of these schools when from the get go people just assume they aren't going to make it in or they cannot afford it and just don't bother (as mentioned in teeny's article).

― Allyzay, Thursday, 11 March 2004 00:41 (twenty years ago) link

anyway ally lay off mira!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:40 (twenty years ago) link

I have stories about E.Wurtzel (a freshman year roommate of my friend Marjorie) that would curl yr backhair. That bitch cRAZEe.

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:43 (twenty years ago) link

and M.Sorvino, whom I knew, actually isn't dumb at all. she was pathologically shy in class, and rather nice.

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:45 (twenty years ago) link

You've gotta spill the gossip now.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:49 (twenty years ago) link

I have an interesting story about her dad and I'm not telling.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 11 March 2004 02:08 (twenty years ago) link

ally should've gone to penn, instead. she would've been a hit at wharton. (i AM her long-lost-bro-tossed-in-a-trashcan, so that's my advice).

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 11 March 2004 03:14 (twenty years ago) link

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