People who insist that they hate the Beatles - C or D?

the Beatles are probably going to go by the wayside a tad now that the boomers aren't foisting them on their kids anymore. they're not hard or ironic or fearful enough for youth of today. I don't listen to them much, but I'm glad they're there. I bought Magical Mystery Tour today.

chaki otm

there's loads of irony in the Beatles

Dude, kids are ALWAYS talking about the goddamn Beatles, which is why I (partly) understand the pointless revulsion listed upthread. Beatles, Zep, Floyd -- these bands are the holy trinity for a certain kind of sincere youth. They will never die.

no, they are 100% ingenuous

these sincere guitar-playing kids will buy charts to "Stairway to Heaven" and "She Said, She Said" forever.

I think the Beatles and Zep and Floyd appeal do very different flavors of youth

rock school franchises will make sure of it

I think the Beatles and Zep and Floyd appeal do very different flavors of youth

Yeah, twelve-year-olds and fifteen-year-olds

I really dislike the early Beatles quite a bit though. Isn't that more common?

Yesterday afternoon I actually snapped at a student for going, "DUDE, Zep ROCKS. `Stairway' is such a guitar anthem!" I gently tried to explain why you shouldn't assume anything, how it's not the conclusion that matters but the argument, etc etc until I heard myself sound pedantic and shut the fuck up.

The point is, I'm more apt to snap at a student for loving Zep and his malformed arguments for loving them than the Beatles, just because the latter have more of an emotional range. Whatever.

I actually said, "`The Rain Song' is better than `Stairway'!" and while that's probably true, it reminded me of those lit guys who say Marlowe's Edward II is better than Macbeth.

The Rain Song is WAY better than Stairway

its okay Alfred cuz you were right

being familiar with www.ilxor.com means you know where all the Beatles haters are.

even so, I can go years and not hear a Beatles song and not feel incomplete or anything. Or I could, if such a thing were possible.

that's true...than I hear an obscurity like "All I Wanna Do" or "And Your Bird Can Sing" and remember.

Lennon apparently grew to hate hearing Beatles songs as they had bad associations for him (though he was proud of them).

I like the story of a flunky being despatched to find out who it was repeatedly playing Beatles records in the Dakota appartment block that was driving him mad.

I don't like "Stairway," but it ain't no thang, y'know

But, really, the question comes down to: if you're a professional music critic how much older favorites do you have to time to hear? I'm always hearing laments on how that Sharrock, Miles, Aretha, or Eno album never gets the attention it deserves because there's simply too much new shit to assess. I've heard enough Beatles in my lifetime to never hear another note, yet will sing or marvel anew when a song plays on a jukebox or friend's car.

Yeah, there again: love me some Led Zep, can't stand "Stairway". Blame classic rock radio. And the 15-year-olds.

Alfred OTM for like 10 posts in a row.

Anthony Burgess, in an essay on Marshall McLuhan:

"His adoration of the Beatles (always, to me, an index of intellectual unsoundness) is based presumably on their having become priests of electronics."

Typical jealous Manc.

let us all stand in awe of the intellectual giant who wrote the screenplay for jesus of nazareth

I like his work but yeah he does have the classic autodidact attitude problem. Looking forward to reading the Roger Lewis bio.

Brb petitioning to change my job title to Priest of Electronics

Burgess was a devotee of symphonic and chamber music and he wrote many pieces which were never popular, even among classical musicians and audiences, but thank god at least they were intellectually sound. This was one of his more twatish pronouncements and being a twat was one of Burgess's great talents.

Technically correct: the best kind of correct.