Shall we anticpate the AMC series "Breaking Bad"? I think I may.

the whole thing has brought jesse nothing but absolute misery its actually so depressing isn't it

Jesse seems like the kind of guy who would've figured out a way to screw up his life regardless, but yeah there is no denying that Walt hasn't exactly set him on a road to life success.

well he (was) clean and also rich...when walt met him he was prob worse off again. it's impossible to blame walt imo, eg he'd never have met jane if it wasn't for getting involved with walt either.

he turned out to not be a very good "the bad guy" tho i guess.

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"it's impossible to blame walt imo, eg he'd never have met jane if it wasn't for getting involved with walt either"

Wouldn't not having met Jane been a good thing? Not just for him, but also her and a whole plane full of people!

crediting Walt for Jess meeting Jane is a little too "butterfly flapping it's wings" to be credible.

I've been trying to skim this thread fast enough to avoid spoilers, but the general OMG SO GOOD tone on this thread prompted me to get S1 yesterday.

crediting Walt for Jess meeting Jane is a little too "butterfly flapping it's wings" to be credible.

yeah of course, i agree, but so is blaming walt for jesse's current status.

That isn't what I said. I said that being in business Walt hasn't improved Jesse's life. It's pretty to hard to argue otherwise.

not that hard, he's richer, he's not a meth-head anymore. he has a pretty massive financial foundation to fall back on which would be a major help if he decides to start sorting out his psychological/emotional probs.

"he's not a meth-head anymore"

Uh did you not watch the last episode? We'll see if stays clean long term.

I think his psychological/emotional problems have only been compounded since knowing Walt. Money's not really much of a solution for those kinds of issues.

Reckon Jesse's pretty much responsible for his own fate - he has just as much capacity for making poor decisions as Walt, though he's a far less extraordinary person so his bad decisions have smaller-scale effects. Walt's never really coerced him into doing anything, as Jesse is the person Walt is most honest with, and Walt uses duplicity to coerce.

where would he be without walt? prob even worse off...

Worse off than his suicidally self-destructive current self? I guess I don't see it.

"Reckon Jesse's pretty much responsible for his own fate"

Totally agree, but I think that at the same time that choosing to align his fate with Walt has not resulted in much benefit (beyond money.)

Jesse living out his days as Capn' Cook, at worst he'd be in jail without meeting Walt. As he said earlier this season, he didn't have people constantly beating the crap out of him and/or trying to kill him, his game never would've been elevated to that level besides being pushed around by low-level guys like Crazy 8

the way i see it is Jess was never destined for big things on his own. Walt shows up and actually accomplishes some stuff with Jessy. so now instead of Jessy having the small problems of a small-time nobody cook - he has the bigass problems of a big time meth producer. his natural tendency is to fuck things up - Walt has only given Jess the opportunity to screw up and suffer on a much larger scale.

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but jesse took the opportunity. jesse introduced walt to that world at the beginning. they are a partnership.

jesse doesnt bring anything to the partnership anymore now that gus is involved

time for jesse's funeral

^^^this is true, but i would still be really surprised if jesse is killed. not that BB has ever failed to surprise of course!

i think saving him will take greater recognition on walt's part of how son-like jesse has become to him (thinking of the lecture in the car last ep).

I feel like axing jesse is the right way to go here. The only thing that would really surprise me would be if Walt died. Or Gus.

I'm not sure the show would be quite as watchable without Jesse and his Jesse-isms.

i doubt it's gonna happen. if the show wouldn't even kill Hank, they're not gonna let Pinkman go

wow that preview was great - like if i had to try to pitch this show to a newcomer in a couple minutes, i might just use that

i remember a great vince gilligan interview a year or two ago where he said he didn't anticipate letting his main characters get off easily. if this show goes on for four seasons - which is how long he envisioned it running, iirc - i gotta think that he considers death one of those easy fates

anyone got a link to this preview that i can watch outside us of a?

no worries i got it....awesome!

man every season it just keeps piling on how sorry I feel for Jesse, like... damn.

very informative interview with Gilligan here, surprised how much they winged it this season, considering it's been the best imo!

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/interview-breaking-bad-creator-vince-gilligan-post-mortems-season-three

alright so the hero of this episode and the entire season is saul

i really hope jesse maybe like, shot gale's arm to leave a bullet hole in the wall and blood on the floor, and then absconded with him somewhere to get him out of the picture? cause to kill gale is just heartless, i mean the guy tended to succulents

nah, according to the interview it wasn't the intent of that shot - gale's dead period, no turning back for jesse now

WHOS GOING TO WATER HIS SUCCULENTS

(also, did rubicon put anyone else to sleep)

watched it for maybe five minutes, decided to wait for reviews and maybe a dvd release. but it looks as unappealing to me as Mad Men already

Gale wasn't an innocent. Gus made it very clear to him that he was going to kill Walt, and Gale made it that he would try to learn as fast as possible so Gus could expedite Walt's murder. Bitch fucked with the wrong chem teacher.

Between this and Justified going off, I feel like it's the long dark moment for quality TV.
Fucking good ending to the season. Still the best show on TV right now.

fucking nine months..

Between this and Justified going off, I feel like it's the long dark moment for quality TV.
Fucking good ending to the season. Still the best show on TV right now.

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yeah honestly I don't care about any show other than BB.

The review coming up just as soon as I make myself a Nescafe... - called this btw

this, from the Sepinwall review linked to above, is OTM

But the beautiful thing about "Breaking Bad" is that Walt is even smarter, and far more dangerous, than even a man like Gus might recognize - or, in fact, more than we might. When Gus visited Gale's apartment and started laying the groundwork for murdering Walt without scaring off his replacement, I was terrified that Walt had no idea of the metaphorical shiny ax hanging over him. Instead, we learned in the visit to Lazer Base that Walt was already two steps ahead of both me and Gus - and, having accepted his status as a murderer with his actions at the end of "Half Measures," that he was prepared to end Gale's life to save his own.

As you'll read in the interview, Walt's emasculation for much of this season wasn't by design, but rather a byproduct of how the Cousins' story was unfolding. But the upside of Heisenberg's prolonged absence is that we grew to miss him while he was gone. It was cathartic to see Walt take out the two dealers last week, to see him don the familiar black porkpie hat, and to see him get the better of Mike at the laundromat and bark out Gale's address and a triumphant "Yeah" as Mike and Victor realized what was about to happen. (And I'll admit to being briefly fooled into thinking Walt was selling out Jesse to save himself, which made the phone call even better.)

Such a dark, sad, end - Jesse's tearful, slightly high face killed me. Easily the best season yet.

Bring on Mad Men in July and The Walking Dead in October...

re Rubicon: nothing that ridiculous should take itself so seriously.

gale singing along to the song is one of my favourite scenes from this series; that was brilliant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROf8KnDW4j8&feature=player_embedded

oo, i forgot that walking dead was coming to TV!
Thanks for the song link; I was just hunting for ;it!

That was simply incredible. In terms of pure storytelling chops, I'm hard pressed to think of a better TV show, like ever.

I think S2 will remain my favourite for its ruthless precision, but this one topped it in terms of character depth and assurance.

i forgot that walking dead was coming to TV!

Only just found out! I found what I read of the comic quite underwhelming, gotta say, but will certainly give the show a shot.

The comic is great in long runs and should translate amazingly to tv; it reads like a storyboard. My only regret is that there are numerous major plot twists I already know about.

xp Felt similarly about the comic, tried the first three or four volumes and was pretty underwhelmed. OTOH, though, there's a good chance they can adjust it well to the TV format, if they condense arcs further than the book did.

Good AV Club review:

http://www.avclub.com/articles/full-measure,42061/

I really liked that review, especially the intro enthusing about what a great TV age we're in right now - i think they posted a Community review recently espousing the same topic